Talk:Lisette Olivera

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Can you add more photos? Also, from where in LA? And born in Cal.? Parents, sibs (one interview mentioned a sister?), something more about grandparents (story of mother carried across river into US by grandpa?) What college? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.60.1 (talk) 09:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, apparently worked for, even choreographed performance at, Disneyland California? 80.233.60.1 (talk) 09:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. For now, at least, no other images are available to us. One from a film or TV series, at least, would be nice, but not very likely to come, due to copyright. We do not yet have further data on locations, and I don't recall seeing about a sister, or the name of a college but I will check 1-2 interviews. The Disneyland point was mentioned on a less well-known site than the ones the article is currently grounded on. SeoR (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

It might be the LA suburb called La Verne, an upper-middle-income sort of place, around 30k people, average household income 80-100kUSD, nice housing, own university. It's 25-30km from the LA center, such as that is. There are sites that help with this but they only work if you're inside the USA. Surely this sort of thing comes up in a cast interview with Ms Alexis / Olivera. Is the new stage name explained somewhere? 109.144.212.175 (talk) 11:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Additional sourcing

Spanish language reference — https://disneylatino.com/novedades/quien-es-lisette-olivera-la-actriz-que-interpreta-a-jess-en-la-leyenda-del-tesoro-perdido-al-filo-de-la-historia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.59.1 (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will use it to add LA to the bio. SeoR (talk) 01:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Man, there must be lots of Hispanic coverage, and surely an article in whatever Wikis cover Latin American Spanish, plain Spanish and maybe even the two forms of Portuguese, have you checked these? Funny enough the only article linked now is in Russian, and there's even a Lisette Olivera fansite in Russki! 83.70.29.187 (talk) 12:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Origin story

Nice start to an article. Somewhere there is an account of an actress of one of these names with a real American Dream story: father Ruben crossed one way, mother Guadalupe as baby on shoulders of abuelo another, then parents and uncle started making icecream Mex-style to sell from carts, then built a factory, became leading suppliers of helados, paletas, and more. Is this that family? 83.220.239.102 (talk) 11:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

That's interesting, but could you provide a link to a source for the story, so it can be looked into? Here we can discuss article improvements but to go into the article text, especially for a living person, we'd need solid referencing. Google shows a Ruben Gutierrez as co-founder of a Mexican ice cream stand in Turlock, CA, which grew into a large business, later sold by Ruben and Guadalupe Gutierrez, but no immediate link to the subject of this article (only a photograph which may relate - that won't do). SeoR (talk) 12:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Disney series budget

There are mentions here and elsewhere of a budget of 100 million USD. That sounds likely enough, if a little steep, for a set of long-ish (~50 mins) episodes, but I'm not sure if the cites are the best. There is an authoritative (tax-declared) production budget of 79.3 million, and I guess the other 20 million is marketing and distribution cost, but if a single high-quality source is available for the total, that would be great. SeoR (talk) 13:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Review(s)

How much review material is proportionate? Not many go into detail on an actress so new to the bigtime, focusing more on Catherine Zeta-Jones and overall comment. And some major percentage of private "reviews" seem to be review-bombing, or claim to be "anti-woke" who do not like the cast mix. Anyway, one from Australia had some useful perspective on both the Disney series, and Ms Olivera / Alexis: (on the original films) "the perfect fit for a world reeling after the events of 9/11 when we needed brave souls and brawny humans to defeat evil, reclaim our pride, and make us feel safe." but now "this series holds the insufficiencies of the original movies and rewrites them with cultural clarity, nuance – and a healthy dose of adventure.", while of the lead character "Jess is the every-woman of Generation Z. And her close group of friends reflect this too – her flatmates and best friends represent different nationalities and points of view.", and the actress "the way Olivera portrays Jess as strong, confident and intelligent while also being vulnerable is a testament to her acting", summing-up with "National Treasure: Edge of History is a treat. A spin-off that gives a truer, more nuanced and wittier take on the original, this heralds in a new version of patriotism for a generation who represents all peoples everywhere." 51.171.243.62 (talk) 17:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Search engines

How is it that I found this page in DuckDuckGo but Google does not show it? Censorship?!?, or the big G is also down on this show, fanboys of the creaky old films, or anti-diversity, or whatever? 87.198.211.142 (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

No censorship, no aspersions on any search engine, no anti-diversity. Wikipedia has a review process for new pages, and flags unreviewed pages in a way that does not make them readily visible in many search engines until some checks are done. As a "deep search engine", DuckDuckGo probably does not follow this cut-out process, but Google certainly does. I hope that helps / clarifies, and avoids any rumours / conspiracy fears spreading. SeoR (talk) 15:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Minority rep

"Fewer than two percent of leading movie roles go to Latino actresses, according to USC's Annenberg Inclusion Initiative." 89.19.88.40 (talk) 10:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

This is interesting, if part-uncited, but I'm not sure it would be appropriate to add it to a personal bio article. (I assume you are hinting that we should say as part of "fewer than 2%..." ? - if we were, we'd need to compare it to the relevant % of population, but of what area? So no, only subject to consideration if it comes up in a source which actually refers to this topic.) SeoR (talk) 15:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Lisette Olivera in 2022

• ... that American Latina actress Lisette Olivera plays a young DREAMer and would-be cryptologist as the lead in Disney TV series National Treasure: Edge of History? Source: https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/national-treasure-edge-of-history-lisette-olivera-interview - The Gates-equivalent of this series is 22-year-old aspiring cryptologist, Jess Valenzuela (Lisette Olivera), a "Dreamer" / With Jess being a Dreamer, or a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals ( DACA) program
  • ALT1: ... that a DREAMer, played by American Latina actress Lisette Olivera (pictured), takes over the lead in the new National Treasure series, National Treasure: Edge of History, from Nicolas Cage's Ben Franklin Gates? Source: https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/national-treasure-edge-of-history-lisette-olivera-interview - The Gates-equivalent of this series is 22-year-old aspiring cryptologist, Jess Valenzuela (Lisette Olivera), a "Dreamer" / With Jess being a Dreamer, or a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals ( DACA) program
  • Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/2023 International Conference on Climate Resilient Pakistan
  • Comment: I think I've used my credits, so DYK to follow today. This story has some legs, as a radical new lead (shades of Relic Hunter, maybe?) comes to a franchise which has reached some kind of cult status with a more Indiana Jones-type approach.

Created by SeoR (talk). Self-nominated at 15:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC).

• I don't love ALT0 and ALT1 – seems like they start and stop at an actress playing a role. I mean, this is every kid with dreams of the big screen, but: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
• ALT2: ... that National Treasure: Edge of History actress Lisette Olivera (pictured) was dissuaded from the performing arts as a child by her mother?
• ALT2a: ... that National Treasure: Edge of History lead Lisette Olivera (pictured) was dissuaded from an acting career as a child but studied dance, vocals and music?
• ALT3: ... that as a child, Lisette Olivera was discouraged from the performing arts by her mother, and is now an actress trained in dance, vocals, piano, and guitar?

Thanks, and I see your point, though I thought the DREAMer point added something (not many characters have this as a central point to date), and the replacement of Nic Cage's epitome-of-old-USA character with a young Latina too. I do think, in terms of "hookiness", that a mention of the current role is important, so I'd suggest either your Alt2 or my Alt2a. SeoR (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Brooded on that a bit, and I'd like to withdraw my Alt0, and Alt3 (as it omits the key role, and it was acting which was discouraged, while some of the substitute activities might be described as performing arts), leaving the choice between the other hooks to the reviewer and the final admin. handler. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 12:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi theleekycauldron, I know you’re busy but just to check, would you be ok to proceed with Alt2, 2a, per your guidance, or 1? Thanks, SeoR (talk) 15:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@SeoR: I would be, but it needs an independent reviewer, unfortunately :( theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hiya. The article was new enough at time of nomination (DYK nomination on 20 January, having been created on the 13th – technically three-and-a-half hours late, but let's not be ridiculous here – and has not appeared on the Main Page) and is long enough (2420 characters of readable prose and is not a stub). The currently-proposed hooks are interesting and sourced; the image satisfies the DYK guidelines, though if it is to be used "(pictured)" must be added after the title in the hooks. A quid pro quo was done. With regards to core content policies such as copyright, neutrality, and BLP, I did not detect any violations. However, there are some verifiability issues with the article:

• Information about being raised by Olivera's grandfather is not in the Disney Latino source, but should be in the Economic Times one.Y
• The Economic Times says that she is "Mexican-born" and that she "came to the USA with her family at a young age"; this contradicts the article saying that she was born in California. Is it a reliable source? If you believe that it is, contradictory information should be footnoted. If not, please remove the information that it supports or replace the source with another. Y (Most of what is in that source is cross-verifiable, so I footnote this point; it's an Indian newspaper and there may have been some misunderstanding about Mexican descent, or parental birthplace)
• Not sure there's any point in noting that she's single (not a DYK eligibility issue, just my personal opinion).Y (removed)
• The "Career" paragraph has a lot of information that isn't in the Deadline source that is currently cited in it. Perhaps the Variety source will help with some of it. Y (Indeed, Variety filled the gaps)
• Total Eclipse is listed in the Variety source as having premiered in 2018, but the Economic Times source says it was 2019. Was it a multi-year project, or is one of the sources wrong? Y (2018 launch, subject played a role in 2019 - footnoted)
• Please check the year for Feint. Y (not easy but traced)
• Where was the $100 million number taken from? Y (removed)
• $79.7m to two significant figures is ≈$80m, no? I assume that the $79m is a slight error. Y
• The Morales-to-Valenzuela transition is not sourced, nor is the presence of Harvey Keitel. Y, Y
• A few of the citations for the tables don't seem to contain the role names or years. Y (one role name cut)

As DYK eligibility requires additional work, I am marking the nomination with . Please address these issues before I can approve this nomination. Sdrqaz (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Sdrqaz, I will work on those. The article has evolved a bit since I began it, so some references covering points may have shifted relative to the covered content, but I can add citation repeats as needed. I will remove the point re. marital status right away, and take out the 100 million, which was a broad comment somewhere, while the 79.7/80 million is cited (I did ask on Talk for a cite for the 100 million but did not receive one). SeoR (talk) 20:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Sdrqaz, that was quite a workout, most thorough verifiability process I recall in DYK (more like I've done for GA review), and I hope you feel it is now OK to consider. Many thanks! SeoR (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt reply – I like to be thorough. Just a couple of things: please repeat the Economic Times source with the 2018/2019 Total Eclipse information in the table and in the prose (since that source said that it was 2019); repeat the Feint year source in the prose (since the article currently says it is the same year); and italicise the "(pictured)" (see WP:DYKHOOK and WP:DYKIMG). Thank you, Sdrqaz (talk) 17:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the thoroughness, Sdrqaz, and the article will develop better for it. I have made those citation additions, and am now applying the italics - sorry, should have done that from the start but I have nominated few with pictures. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this article, SeoR, and for your understanding. No need to apologise. Approved, Sdrqaz (talk) 01:19, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation / IPA

Could someone add the proper pronunciation of the name(s) to the lede, please... SeoR (talk) 02:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)