Talk:Linenfold

A fact from Linenfold appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 May 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the linenfold style of relief carving, popular in Northern Europe from the 14th to 16th centuries, could be made with little carpentry skill and was mass produced in workshops from the later 15th century?

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There is probably a good discussion in Penelope Eames, Furniture in England , France and the Netherlands from the Twelfth to the Fifteenth Century (London: Furniture History Society), 1977. I don't have it myself. --Wetman 23:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. I mentioned Gibbons because I can't think of an earlier example! -- ALoan (Talk) 00:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since's he's fully baroque in his style, I felt that his name would prove confusing. --Wetman 00:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps something like "developing into the elaborate Baroque woodcarvings best exemplified by Grinling Gibbons? Do we have any articles on notable Renaissance woodcarvers? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not easy to trace any development, because joiners were trained separately from carvers. Renaissance woodworkers are usually simply artisans, unless they rise to become sculptors. The exceptions are intarsia workers, often travelling monks like Fra Giovanni da Verona (1457-1525) Fra Damiano Zambelli da Bergamo (1480-1549), et al. The Studiolo at Gubbio, the one at Urbino, the choirstalls at Todi, the chapel from Bâtie d'Urfé at the Metropolitan... These craftsmen trained in a different tradition: no connection there either to linenfold panelling. Interesting that even the earliest emigrants to the English colonies didn't carry linenfold-planing traditions, so completely had the style died out by the early C17; instead, some wavy-mouldings, in the tradition of late C16 Antwerp ebony picture-frames and cabinet mouldings. But it would take a lot of research to dig up the references not to make it "original research" don't you know... --Wetman 10:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is terrible. It omits the most GLARING physical difference between modern and Gothic woodwork. The question every student asks! Then it gets no better! "could be made with little carpentry skill and was mass produced" This phrase is a representative example of the very,very low academic and factual quality of this piece. "Could" ,unexplained ,unqualified speculation. "little carpentry skill";little,compared to? Even so it is not possible to have a 'little' skill. One may have fewer skills, be less skilled in a domain. In the case of woodwork, a relatively simple technique may be performed by a more or less experienced person, the result is unlikely to be the same. As there are so few examples remaining, any objective assertion would therefore be difficult to argue. The rejection of inferior work is known documented and famously harshly dealt with. The word "carpentry" in this context is so vauge as to be meaningless. Of course just the very different definitions in English speaking countries currently would be enough warning for most. The current harmonized European "carpentry" qualification, after 4 years will not give one the skill set necessary to produce a linen fold panel. The ignorance of the words "mass produced" in this context is evident.Goodwoood (talk) 11:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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