Talk:Lieyu

Lesser Quemoy/Lesser Kinmen?

I don´t think Lesser Quemoy is the correct name of this island anymore, even in English. It should be called Lesser Kinmen or Smaller Kinmen.Antipoeten 00:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed... Kinmen resembles more the Mandarin transliteration (BTW, it should be Jinmen). Its kinda difficult for foreigners to learn more than 1 romanized name... y not we only use Hanyu pinyin? 09-2008, after the KMT goverment said that HY pinyin would be the official romanization system in the ROC startig in 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumuhua (talk • contribs) 21:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Some of us know this as Quemoy, and need the redirect. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 22:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

African swine fever

@Meters: Another English language citation: If we can't admit this is important on the Kinmen page, surely it is important here. Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

This is an ongoing multi-year event with economic ramifications that should be documented on Wikipedia: [1] "The government has suspended the export of pigs and pork products from Kinmen County for at least one week after another two dead pigs that drifted to the outlying county close to China tested positive for African swine fever."Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Your edit did not say that. It simple stated that dead pigs had washed ashore but that no infection had resulted. That really does not seem like something that needs to reported as part of the area's history.Meters (talk) 04:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@Meters: (I am just stumbling across this info myself- here's another one ) Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not contesting that it happened. I'm asking if it needs to be in the article at all, let alone in the history section. Since this swine fever outbreak is is a major event and there is an article on it then it would be appropriate to mention this incident in that article. Meters (talk) 04:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@Meters: I mentioned the pig carcass incidents on that page. I don't pretend to be able to understand your rationale for reverting my edits, but as long as it can still be kept on the African swine fever virus page, I guess I'm fine with it. Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Meters: I would like to tell you that I can not understand the level of passion with which you seem to be opposed to these edits. I thought I was just making mundane claims about events in the islands that were in the news. Could you help me understand why you are against including this information on the pages of the islands themsleves? I really don't have any idea how you could be against it, especially when they led to bans on exports. I'm in Taipei right now, and at least one acquaintance of mine knew about these pigs. Granted, it isn't something I bring up in casual conversation! haha Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Meters: From my perspective, I've seen notices about African swine fever many times in airports. According to the Wikipedia article, every province of China has had pigs with the disease. To me, this is definitely significant- if you read the articles, one of them mentions the Foreign Ministry of Taiwan asking China to control the pig problem. As far as I can see, I'm adding legitimate, newsworthy information to articles. Your adamant opposition to these edits definitely gives me pause, but I really do not have a clue why you would think these are not important edits and if you don't have a good rationale, I would like to request that you restore them. Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Meters: Let me see if I can summarize our arguments. The argument you propose to remove these edits is that "it's pig carcasses" and this is therefore not important. The argument I am using that these edits are important is "it's African swine fever" and these are therefore important. Is there more nuance to your position? I'm not documenting random pig carcasses washing up on the shore- apparently as many as 100 carcasses washed up in Kinmen in 2019- I'm only documenting the ones that led to several instances of the temporary halting of pork exports and the mass testing of local hog farms. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Please don't ping me multiple times in a row. I don't spend 24 hours a day on Wikipedia. The first ping was sufficient to notify me that there was another comment, the other three were just annoying.

Please don't put words in my mouth, and don't make statements such as "the level of passion with which you seem to be opposed to these edits". Again, I'm asking if it needs to be in the article at all, let alone in the history section. You yourself admit that this is just "mundane claims about events in the islands that were in the news". I don't think such mundane things belong in the history of the islands, and possibly not in the articles at all, and I'm asking for other editors to help us reach a consensus. Meters (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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