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As far as I have read into this, Paraduin does not intent to physically occupy the territory, and it is mainly meant as a campaign to increase awareness and support for people living with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, like the founder himself.
Which means that, apart from some additional negative media coverage, the claim of Paraduin should not have any effects on Liberland.
In contrast, the 'Liberlanders' seem to be interested in establishing facts and occupy the territory, or parts of it, physically, as much as Croatian and Serbian authorities let them. This can be seen by the frequent presence of activists on the area, and their repeated attempts to built provisional houses and gardens, with the ultimate goal of having a permanent population there. Also their 'authorities' are seeking international recognition from countries like Argentina and strive to meet with Javier Milei, among others.
The founder of the micronation of Paraduin does none of these things AFAIK, but he has apparently visited the area as a tourist years before making his claim. 91.12.214.245 (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry I haven't seen the talk archive before making the last edit. Looks like the founder of Paraduin himself has tried to increase public awareness of this issue by bringing it up here before I did.
However, if we want to be precise, even Paraduin was not the first micronation claiming the area of Siga. Among probably a dozen claims so obscure that they are hidden in the deepest depths of our search engines, there is a mention of a micronation called „Kingdom of Exeter“ on MicroWiki, which has apparently been „founded“ in 2014, a year before Paraduin, Liberland and Pannonia:
Just for completeness. That micronation is even less known than Paraduin and doesn't even have a link to its homepage on MicroWiki, indicating the claim may no longer be uptodate. Apart from that, there are a couple more micronations that have been „founded“ on the same area after Liberland came to existence.
For now that topic is basically closed, as Wikipedia considers MicroWiki an unreliable source. But I will occassionally keep an eye on that and see whether any other micronation rivalling Liberland's land claim gets mentioned in better source material in the future. 91.12.214.245 (talk) 02:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Following the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_191#The_use_of_'infobox_country'_for_fictitious_states a new infobox template was created for micronations, which had fewer parameters to allow less abuse of the infobox to present fantasy states as reality (see for instance in practice at Sealand. The RfC rejected the idea that it is a WP:NPOV or WP:FRINGE violation for micronations to receive infoboxes. This argument is similar to the "trade dress" problem addressed in paragraph (1)(a): it is an endorsement and legitimization of their claims, in violation of WP:NPOV. But the consensus is that it is appropriate to state verifiable claims, which are identified as such, even within infoboxes.. Following this, I thought it was worth reopening the idea of adding infobox micronation to the article, which I feel is different enough from infobox country to be worth revisiting. I see some people have already attempted to add it but have met with opposition. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support adding infobox micronation to the article. For starters, it feels specifically designed fo fit a case like Liberland where potentially legitimizing the claims is a problem but in principle stating verifiable claims about the micronation is fine. Miffedpenguin (talk) 00:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately there are no reliable sources which describe Liberland as a 'daydream', although we all have our personal opinions. Although thank god the recent involvement of Justin Sun brought in actual critical coverage (a first?) - the problem is that the article is sourced from a list of reliable sources.. and they nearly all consist of sending in some adventurous journalists who marvel at the 'Liberlanders'.. but it's not like we can challenge the reliability of The Times, the New York Times, etc. with this one article Miffedpenguin (talk) 06:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even "claimant" implies that there is something to claim. Since there is no political entity, there cannot be any offices of its "government" to claim. Donald Albury20:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When the president goes to "his country", he will be arrested for illegal entry. What is the value of a government, when they will be arrested when entering "their country"? The Bannertalk15:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd love some reliable sources that essentially talk on your point of view but they do not exist anywhere. Which is sad. The problem is the lack of sources makes a balanced view impossible to write without allowing in stuff like Facebook and Twitter posts. Thus the current version of the article with its set of sources would merit an infobox unless something changes. Miffedpenguin (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bowler the Carmine | talk 19:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)