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- I have fixed all the dead links now. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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The Rokes
[edit]The following disscussion is transcluded from User_talk:Kohoutek1138#The_Rokes
Please read sources: here: "In 1963, an English group called the Cabin Boys, led by Norman Shapiro, found themselves in Italy, where they were recruited by a new manager, given a new name, the Rokes, and got a contract with RCA Italiana. By 1966, they were writing their own material, including "Piangi Con Me," co-authored by Shapiro, which was released in Italy". Then here, official portal of the State Disco (which depends on the Italian Ministry of Entertainment). Complete history here.--Gigi Lamera (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! I have reverted your recent edits on the "Let's Live for Today" article because, a) the above information was already detailed in the article anyway, and b) it is incorrect to say that "Let's Live for Today" is a cover of "Piangi con me" in the strictest sense. For one thing, it has entirely different lyrics to the earlier song -- and I don't just mean that they are in English: the lyrics are not even a direct or approximate translation of the Italian lyrics. They are completely different and, as such, "Let's Live for Today" has an entirely different subject matter to "Piangi con me". In modern music business parlance, "Let's Live for Today" is a song that interpolates elements of "Piangi con me"; it's not a straight cover version.
- Secondly, the article is about the version of the song called "Let's Live for Today" and that is the title by which the song is most recognized in the English speaking world (and this is the English Wikipedia, after all). It's perfectly fine to mention "Piangi con me", of course (it's a elevant piece of the story), but at the same time, let's not overstate its importance. This is not an article about the Italian language song "Piangi con me", it's about "Let's Live for Today". --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 06:29, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I am now transcluding this discussion to Talk:Let's_Live_for_Today_(song). If you want to discuss this matter further, please reply there. Many thanks. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 06:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- The term "cover version" can mean different things to different people - but the way in which it is now generally used has clearly moved on from the original meaning of a facsimile version produced by a different company for commercial reasons. Personally I would prefer to keep the term closer to its original meaning (for instance, of Pat Boone "covering" Fats Domino, etc.), but the world has moved on. The article text already refers to "Let's Live For Today" as being an Italian-language "cover" of "Piangi con me", and, regardless of the unrelated lyrical content which perhaps needs to be mentioned, I don't think it's unreasonable to use the word "cover" (as the main source does). By the way, Norman, David and Shel Shapiro are all one and the same person, which I've clarified - see http://www.shelshapiro.com/. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Unless I'm being dumb, I can't see anywhere in the current article where it calls "Let's Live for Today" a cover of "Piangi Con Me". Personally, I think that's absolutely right. While it's certainly important to mention that the two songs have the same origin, I don't think you can call "Let's Live for Today" a cover of "Piangi Con Me" any more than you can call Bob Dylan's "Girl From the North Country" a cover of "Scarborough Fair", or John Lennon's "Jealous Guy" the same song as "Child of Nature". --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with you - I thought the issue had been raised mainly because of the opening sentence in this edit. I have no major problem with your wording of the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- There are many error!! Mogol is Giulio Rapetti, NOT Ivan Mogul...--Gigi Lamera (talk) 17:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC) If David Bowie write english lyric in Italian song Io vorrei, non vorrei, ma se vuoi (written by Lucio Battisti and Mogol) with the title Music is lethal, and Mick Ronson sing this on LP Slaughter on 10th Avenue, Music is lethal is a cover of Io vorrei, non vorrei, ma se vuoi. You can read history of Piangi con me at this link --Gigi Lamera (talk) 17:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thing is, that link you provided is just a copy of the link to Radio DJ Bob Shannon's website, which is already cited in the article -- and it does say it's Mogol who wrote the song. The Allmusic guide, however, states that it's Ivan Mogull who is the writer. I don't know the truth of the matter, but a quick Google search seems to suggest that Ivan Mogull was an American songwriter who worked in the Brill Building in New York City. So, I'm thinking maybe the Allmusic guide is incorrect and you are right -- it is Mogol (who is also a completely seperate person from Ivan Mogull). Without any further supporting evidence for it being Ivan Mogull, I guess we'll leave it as it is. I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge on the subject. :) --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- It would not be a great surprise if AllMusic made an error... So, yes, we should leave this edit intact, and thank Gigi Lamera for correcting the mistake. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thing is, that link you provided is just a copy of the link to Radio DJ Bob Shannon's website, which is already cited in the article -- and it does say it's Mogol who wrote the song. The Allmusic guide, however, states that it's Ivan Mogull who is the writer. I don't know the truth of the matter, but a quick Google search seems to suggest that Ivan Mogull was an American songwriter who worked in the Brill Building in New York City. So, I'm thinking maybe the Allmusic guide is incorrect and you are right -- it is Mogol (who is also a completely seperate person from Ivan Mogull). Without any further supporting evidence for it being Ivan Mogull, I guess we'll leave it as it is. I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge on the subject. :) --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- There are many error!! Mogol is Giulio Rapetti, NOT Ivan Mogul...--Gigi Lamera (talk) 17:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC) If David Bowie write english lyric in Italian song Io vorrei, non vorrei, ma se vuoi (written by Lucio Battisti and Mogol) with the title Music is lethal, and Mick Ronson sing this on LP Slaughter on 10th Avenue, Music is lethal is a cover of Io vorrei, non vorrei, ma se vuoi. You can read history of Piangi con me at this link --Gigi Lamera (talk) 17:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with you - I thought the issue had been raised mainly because of the opening sentence in this edit. I have no major problem with your wording of the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Unless I'm being dumb, I can't see anywhere in the current article where it calls "Let's Live for Today" a cover of "Piangi Con Me". Personally, I think that's absolutely right. While it's certainly important to mention that the two songs have the same origin, I don't think you can call "Let's Live for Today" a cover of "Piangi Con Me" any more than you can call Bob Dylan's "Girl From the North Country" a cover of "Scarborough Fair", or John Lennon's "Jealous Guy" the same song as "Child of Nature". --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- The term "cover version" can mean different things to different people - but the way in which it is now generally used has clearly moved on from the original meaning of a facsimile version produced by a different company for commercial reasons. Personally I would prefer to keep the term closer to its original meaning (for instance, of Pat Boone "covering" Fats Domino, etc.), but the world has moved on. The article text already refers to "Let's Live For Today" as being an Italian-language "cover" of "Piangi con me", and, regardless of the unrelated lyrical content which perhaps needs to be mentioned, I don't think it's unreasonable to use the word "cover" (as the main source does). By the way, Norman, David and Shel Shapiro are all one and the same person, which I've clarified - see http://www.shelshapiro.com/. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Censored verses Uncensored Version
[edit]An addition was made which someone had removed. 47.140.162.76 (talk) 17:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)