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Fair use rationale for Image:Mgm-2001.jpg

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How are we supposed to tell the difference between the logos if we don't see images of them - go watch an MGM movie just to know what the author is talking about? AlbertSM (talk) 17:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Fluffy Lion

It's going around on YouTube that the mid-fifties "fluffy" lion is named Bob. Any credence to this? -74.72.199.61 (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, though it's really not that noteworthy to include in the article (especially without a source). --LBM | ^{TALK TO ME} 16:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Bob", as I have it understood, was the popular name used around the studio, half-kidding, for this lion. "al-Marah" is the proper name I hear most, although there were others. But no concrete references for any of these claims - just legends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fonnyboy (talk • contribs) 16:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trainers

Does anyone know who trained each of the lions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.52.149 (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's well-known that the original Goldwyn Studio "Leo" was found, handled and trained by Volney Phifer, a lion trapper and handler of note. It's been said he also trained MGM's first Leo, "Slats", although Slats resided at Gay's Lion Farm in El Monte, near Los Angeles, and was handled by Charles Gay himself. (Depending on the source, Slats died in either 1927 at Gay's, 1936 in New Jersey, or 1944 in Memphis.) Jackie, who was a former resident of Gay's and of the Selig Zoo, was trained by Melvin Koontz. He died at the World Jungle Compound in Hollywood in 1952.

I was told by a Lion trainer in Duenweg Mo. just east of Joplin MO. that Tarzan Zarbeinee, owner of Leo and Leo Jr, trained both for MGM. Take it for what it is worth and call them and see. I once cleaned Leo the lion Jr's cage befor and after each act with the Tarsan Zerbeinee shrine circus. I am not sure of the last name spelling of Tarzan, However Leo the lion Jr. got sick on a long drive from Farmington New Mexico to Las Cruces New Mexico. His food became egg yoke's to get him to eat. Shortly after his sickness he died of water on his lungs. He was cherished by many people that attended his funeral. I was told that a statue of bothe leo's was errected at the burial site in Duenweg mo. at the winter place of Tarzan Zerbienee shrine Circus. a place where elephant's rome, and are taken care of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.151.41.251 (talk) 16:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Where did the lions come from?

I hear the first Leo was born in a zoo. What about the others? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.12.109 (talk) 02:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie was said to be from Nubia, a Northeast African region that is shared by Egypt and Sudan,^[1] which would therefore mean that he was a Nubian lion, a subpopulation of the African lion that has often been confused with the Barbary lion of Northwest Africa. Leo1pard (talk) 10:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bechaus-Gerst, Marianne; Blench, Roger (2014). "11". In Kevin MacDonald (ed.). The Origins and Development of African Livestock: Archaeology, Genetics, Linguistics and Ethnography - "Linguistic evidence for the prehistory of livestock in Sudan" (2000). Routledge. p. 453. Retrieved 15 September 2014.

Animated Lion?

I remember in a MGM (I think the title was something like "the captain and the kids")there was an animated lion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.162.222 (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, some 1930's MGM cartoons (including "The Captain And The Kids")used an animated lion. I've only seen this in color, I don't know if there was a black and white version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.84.108 (talk) 04:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

I have restored the removal of the entirely unsourced, extremely long and pointless trivia section. Some items were questionable and almost all non-notable. Wikipedia discourages these random lists about which there is nothing remotely encyclopedic. This trivial info is better suited to someone's blog or fan site. If it is felt that some of these items were important, please incorporate them into the body of the article, using sources if at all possible. Markhh (talk) 05:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Major

Where did that name come from for the 5th logo? All I know that the lion's name is unknown but commonly known as "Leo" to everyone else. King Shadeed 14:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another Goldwyn lion

There's another lion I think from 1923-1924 that was used on Goldwyn Pictures that looks different from Slats and the original. MGM didn't mention this lion so it's pretty much long forgotten. However, I forgot the name of them films that used him. TCM's Silent Sunday Nights occasionally has them on broadcast. King Shadeed 13:18, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Death and grave

As the page is titled "Leo the Lion", I wonder why there is nothing about his time of death and the grave. I found the year 1938 mentioned here: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104047,00.html And his grave was opn a private property, but I can't find anything about if it's still here as of 2014 or not. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/3609 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.70.81.151 (talk) 08:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Last appearances of Jackie and Tanner?

Given that MGM has information about their movies, why don't they have information about the last films to be released with those lions? DudeWithAFeud (talk) 20:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Slats (1916–1928) but born in 1919?

Very confusing subhead. So there was a different Slats before the one that the paragraph is about? And the one born in 1919 was given the same name? The other lion isn't even mentioned except in the photo caption. A subhead with a date range that doesn't jibe with the birth date of the animal the paragraph talks about is confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geniuswaitress (talk • contribs) 19:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Overly detailed? I don't think so.

Speaking not mainly as a Wikipedia editor, but as a scholar of film history, this is an invaluable article with great detail not to be found anywhere else -- in fact, it's an example of how an article with a high (to some, nerdy) level of detail, all well-sourced, can offer a reference resource that would otherwise be unavailable. I am inclined to leave the article as is and remove the tag, but would not want to do so without input from other Wikipedians. Clevelander96 (talk) 00:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Under header “Bill, Telly and Coffee” according to this article https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/mgm-logo.html, the “unnamed lion” that appeared in the films Buffalo Bill’s Last Fight and The Heart of General Robert E Lee is called Bill. 2A01:4C8:144B:6692:6880:88EC:626D:EF13 (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[Bechaus-Gerst-1] Bechaus-Gerst, Marianne; Blench, Roger (2014). "11". In Kevin MacDonald (ed.). The Origins and Development of African Livestock: Archaeology, Genetics, Linguistics and Ethnography - "Linguistic evidence for the prehistory of livestock in Sudan" (2000). Routledge. p. 453. Retrieved 15 September 2014.

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