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A fact from Leicester House, Westminster appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a queen of Bohemia died at Leicester House, Westminster, shortly after moving in?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 10:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Elizabeth Stuart

... that Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia (pictured) "ended her unfortunate life" at Leicester House?

Source: Thomas Allen, The History and Antiquities of London, Westminster, Southwark, and Other Parts Adjacent, Volume 4 (1829), p. 299: "This house was for a short time the residence of Elizabeth, daughter of James I, the titular queen of Bohemia, who, on the 13th of February, 1661, here ended her unfortunate life." (Note: that date is 1661 Old Style.)

Reviewed: Ira L. Hanna

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 07:19, 20 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Comment Nice article, but the hook should locate the house. And "ended her life" rather implies suicide, which I don't think was ever suspected. There are alternative hooks along the lines of "... that the bottom of the Q of B/Prince of Wales' garden is now in London's Chinatown/became a red light district?" Or "...that the Q of B was born in Scotland and died in Soho?" Johnbod (talk) 12:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On “ended her life” I take your point, Johnbod, I was trying to find something more interesting to say than just she died. I don’t know of any rule that requires the hook to “locate the house”. This map says we are just outside Soho. Here are two Alts. On your first idea, you will see I am struggling with the word order. Moonraker (talk) 18:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1 ... that London's Chinatown is now at the bottom of the garden of the last house of the Queen of Bohemia (pictured)?
Source: see maps in article.
Alt2 ... that Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia (pictured) was born at Dunfermline Palace in Scotland and died at Leicester House in England?
Sources: (1) for place of birth M. Barbieri, Descriptive and Historical Gazetteer of the Counties of Fife, Kinross, and Clackmannan (1857), p. 157; (2) for place of death: Thomas Allen, The History and Antiquities of London, Westminster, Southwark, and Other Parts Adjacent, Volume 4 (1829), p. 299

Either of these better imo, though I find:

Alt3 ... that the Queen of Bohemia (pictured) was born in Scotland and died in London?

hookier. Anyway, time for a proper review, which I wasn't doing. Johnbod (talk) 14:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not keen on Alt3, Johnbod, at the time London meant the City of London and strictly no more. Moonraker (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Johnbod (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Moonraker: This interesting article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Several hooks have been suggested, but none is very satisfactory; if you are going to mention the Scotland birthplace, I think it needs to be mentioned in the article, and I doubt the map being sufficient to source the Chinatown hook. You could vary the original hook by not using the quotation, or alternatively, I was interested in the fact that the Earl of Leicester needed "planning permission" before building the house. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Cwmhiraeth. I see your point about the map, it may have been edited by the uploader to show Chinatown and if so is not a reliable source. I was focussing on Elizabeth Stuart because it’s such a good image, and we could drop her, but I still quite like the main hook, if we take out what Johnbod sees as a hint of suicide, and he is probably right. How about this? Moonraker (talk) 13:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Alt4 ... that a Queen of Bohemia (pictured) died in Westminster at Leicester House, shortly after moving in?
  Source: Allen (1829): "This house was for a short time the residence of Elizabeth, daughter of James I, the titular queen of Bohemia, who, on the 13th of February, 1661, here ended her unfortunate life."

Approving Alt4. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]