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Diane

Nadia Albina reprises her role as Diane, briefly, in the episode but is uncredited for it. Does that mean we can't include it in the infobox and if we can, does it need a note to say it was uncredited? Panda815 (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no issue including her at the end of the list, much like how uncredited cast have been included at "The Unicorn and the Wasp", "Vincent and the Doctor", or "The Day of the Doctor", to name a few episodes. -- Alex_21_TALK 07:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She’d still go in the cast list in the prose for sure CreecregofLife (talk) 07:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add it for now. Feel free to RV if this is contested in any way. Panda815 (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lowest ratings

I know it’s not pretty and I’m not trying to be mean, but this is the lowest rated episode in the revival series, shouldn’t it be mentioned? (204.126.3.183 (talk) 04:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC))[reply]

Certainly, if you have a source that explicitly states so. -- Alex_21_TALK 04:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Someone please edit the obvious advertising attempt that's biasing the "critical recpetion"

"...On Rotten Tomatoes, a review aggregator website, 50% of seven critics gave "Legend of the Sea Devils" a positive review"

This is just embarrassing. That is a bad review, but skimming this section only has positive words. This is clearly, or identical to, an attempt by someone paid to make the series look good. CrickedBack (talk) 07:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CrickedBack WP:SOFIXIT. -- Alex_21_TALK 08:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Passed. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 09:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Legend of the Sea Devils/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: TheDoctorWho (talk · contribs) 08:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Prince of Erebor (talk · contribs) 14:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Taking on this review. Please give me an hour or two. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Prose

Plot

who disappeared searching for the Flor de la Mar treasure: who disappeared while searching for the Flor de la Mar treasure
Returning to 1807: Upon returning to 1807

Production

Jodie Whittaker stars in the episode as the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor: should it be "starred", since all the subsequent cast members are in the past tense?
Craig Els, who portrayed Karvanista in series thirteen played Marsissus: series thirteen, played Marsissus
episodes Director of Photography: I am a bit confused by this sentence. Should it be "episode's Director of Photography"?
Whittaker said that it was first time doing any stage combat: it was her first time
Principal photography had wrapped by 25 July: Principal photography wrapped on 25 July

Release and reception

containing all 3 soundtracks of the 2022 specials: all three soundtracks, MOS:NUMERAL
In the United States, the simulcast was seen by 283,000, while the later broadcast was viewed by 209,000: perhaps "viewers" could be added after the numbers? I noticed that previous mentions of the UK viewership also included the word "viewers".
the Sea Devils were "cute" which undermined the perceived scariness: were "cute", which undermined
between the Doctor and Yaz" commenting that: and Yaz", commenting
The i's Stephen Kelly gave the episode one star and criticized a thinly written supporting cast, as well as "a frenzied plot". Kelly opined that the Doctor and Yaz's affection was one of the only redeeming qualities of the episode: The last two sentences can be combined: The i's Stephen Kelly gave the episode one star, criticizing a thinly written supporting cast and "a frenzied plot", but opined that the Doctor and Yaz's affection was one of the only redeeming qualities of the episode.

Sources

Spot-check: 10 (48×1/5=9.6)

Source 2: Y
Source 5: Y
Source 9: Y
Source 16:
- The source listed David K S. Tse's character as "Ying Was", for fives times, unlikely a typo.
- Craig Els was listed as Craige Els.
Source 21: Y
Source 24:
- The line "included some nods to the original look, weaving netting through the costumes" is presented in the third person, rather than as a direct quote from Holman
Source 32： Y
Source 34: ?, see below
Source 43: ?, see below
Source 48: Y

I am uncertain about the reliability of CultBox and Doctor Who News, especially since both sources are cited multiple times in the article. I did not find them listed in RSN or Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who. May I ask if they are considered reliable? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images

File:Doctor Who Legend of the Sea Devils.jpg: source is DoctorWhoNews, WP:NFCC satisfied
File:鄭一嫂.jpg: source is History of the Pirates of all Nations, public domain
File:Frol de la mar in roteiro de malaca.jpeg: source is Centenario Indiano, Album d'o Século; Marinha Histórica do Século XV e XVI, public domain
File:Cardiff Bay, Wales. 05.jpg: source is Nadezna1971, CC-BY
File:Sully Beach - geograph.org.uk - 15177.jpg: source is Richard Knights, CC-BY

Comment

TheDoctorWho, this article is overall very well-written! Earwig shows that copyvio is unlikely; the 37.5% similarity comes from a direct quote from CultBox. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Prince of Erebor: I have reviewed and can confirm that Tse is credited as Ying Wai in the episode's closing credits. I've added an additional source to that statement, which also supports the Wai spelling. CultBox and Doctor Who News were recently determined to be unreliable as self-published sources through discussions on the project talk page. I have replaced those where possible, and removed statements where no replacement sources exist. Everything else has been addressed as listed above. TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have confirmed that all the items listed above have been addressed. The new SlashFilm source supports the Ying Wai spelling. All unreliable sources have been removed, and the new sources 34 (TVLine) and 43 (ShowBuzzDaily) check out. Everything has been properly handled. Excellent work on the article, TheDoctorWho! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 09:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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