Talk:Together Party

Name

Shouldn't the name of this page be translated into English, just like in case of Civic Platform, Modern (political party) or Coalition for the Renewal of the Republic - Freedom and Hope? Moreover I'm sure that the abbreviated version of party's name, Razem (Together), is the one used, not Partia Razem (Together Party) (compare this with Nowoczesna, even though their name is Nowoczesna Ryszarda Petru or even Platforma Obywatelska, whose full legal name is actually Platforma Obywatelska RP. 178.42.112.39 (talk) 23:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I never liked the idea of translating the names of parties when they don't do it themselves, so I'll abstain on this one. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Democratic socialism?

Why is their ideology described as "democratic socialism"? Some of their key members used to be socialists, but the party has no socialist elements in its program. Litawor (talk) 17:33, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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Central-Eastern European Green Left Alliance (CEEGLA)

On the 12th of January, the formation of a coalition of six Central and Eastern European left-wing groups (Budoucnost (CZ), Lewica Razem, Sotsialnyi Rukh (UA), Szikra (HU), Demos (RO), and Kartu (LT)) called CEEGLA (Central-Eastern European Green Left Alliance) was announced on Twitter/X. Bean Dlunt (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I made a draft for an article: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:PorazonyCreeper/Draft/Central-Eastern_European_Green_Left_Alliance

Is CEEGLA notorious enough to warrant its own separate page, or should we just mention it briefly on this page? PorazonyCreeper (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@PorazonyCreeper I think it's important enough to warrant its own page. Bean Dlunt (talk) 16:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Political position

https://popu-list.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/The-PopuList-3.0-short-version.pdf

This list describes this party as far-left (and not even as a borderline case). This is not my personal opinion, but might be considered (like in other articles stating how a party was described liberal, libertarian etc. with the source for each description).

More about the PopuList: https://popu-list.org/about/ 91.21.7.61 (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

There are at least 4 sources provided that Confederation is a populist party, yet this source here does not state that fact. Therefore this source can and does contain inaccuracies. Also a singlar source even if reliable is not a consensus.YBSOne (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

The party's article name should retain its original one from Polish

I've been notified by the Razem Party's (or, assuming the translated name currently used on the English Wikipedia, Together Party's) member on the party's naming convention used here, which according to them is incorrect. The proposed article name should retain its original Polish name, i.e. Partia Razem and not the Together Party, with the addition that it is a Polish political party. Consequently, the new name should read Partia Razem (Polish political party).

The party's member has sent in these sources to back up the claim:

- https://media.partiarazem.pl/179243-razem-stands-in-solidarity-with-ukraine

- https://jacobin.com/2024/03/ceegla-eastern-europe-democratic-socialist-alliance

- https://www.eurasiareview.com/16102024-a-more-united-left-split-into-two-european-parties/

- https://links.org.au/zofia-malisz-razem-poland-there-are-several-imperialisms-play-our-part-europe-and-we-cannot-afford

Additionally, I've read the Razem Party's statute available in Polish here and according to it, there's no mention on official name translations to any language, including English. Furthermore, a thread from 2015 (!) raised the very same issue, but in reverse to this motion. OliwierJaszczyszyn (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I get your point, however I feel this decision would create doubts with regards to many other parties so it should be considered carefully. First of all I do agree that the party is more commonly refered to in English-language media by its Polish shortname Razem rather than its translation (which doesn't mean it does not happe at all). I wouldn't take for the consideration here party's statute as (as far as I checked) no other party mentions in its status an official English language translation of its name. But the most important thing for me is that the party's policy or website should not be more relevant in this issue and impose the general convention existing in the public and media language. In this case I do not fear this is in contradiction.

But there is a second issue for me. Razem would be the only party with paliamentary representation and one of two major parties with its name not translated into English, which in my view creates inconsistency. The case of another mentioned party, the Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy, is for me more clear and uncontroversial as there is a serious problem with meaningful translation. Which is not the issue with Razem and that's another point for me—the meaning is very clear, not debateble or problematic. And also the reason why we translate names of other parties and entities to English in the first place is a huge deal. It provides claryfication for the reader, provides more information, does not require further search to understand the name of a subject. The full name is another problem, which contains a word partia meaning "party", which is present in other widely translated party names, e.g. Polish People's Party. And when for example listing together it creates so inconsistency for me, why wouldn't we translate the same word present in an artiucle next to each other, because it is understandble to me that the whole full name would be left as it is ifwe reach consensus. (Side note, if I'm right the policy is to inlude "... (political party)" without the name of the country.) That's why I'm hesitant. — Antoni12345 (talk) 00:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

P. S. Agrounion is refered to in English-language press also by its Polish name. Should it also be changed then? Antoni12345 (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Would like to note that I am only channelling the party member's doubt further and a name change suggestion wasn't of my idea. However, it should be also noted that some people prefer original names over the translated ones. For instance, there's the Spanish party of Podemos, with the English translation included only in the foremost paragraph of the article. Going ahead with your argumentation, we can also assume referring to Podemos as "Podemos" (original Spanish name) and not "We Can" (English rough translation) creates inconsistencies. I think that statute of any political/non-profit/whatever-else organisation should clear most of doubts how should one refer to the party correctly no matter the one's native language, but I get that not every organisation's statute covers that problem.

On the other hand though, you've made a valid point here: providing a translation of a non-English political party would be useful for those who don't know how to speak a given language of the party's host country.

Going back to the sources provided to me by Razem Party's representative, the non-Polish-language press at least over here seems to refer to this party by its original name in Polish. Of course this should be dug deeper so we can decide if going for an eventual name change would be a correct move. OliwierJaszczyszyn (talk) 01:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)