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GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

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No idea why there seems to be a "Registration (access issue)". As far as I can see registration is not needed to visit the websites. Nehme1499 (talk) 14:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's because it redirects to the download mobile app page, might be worth finding the exact url to bypass. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes I forgot about this. FIFA, for some reason, decided it was a good idea to completely remove their full fixture lists of all national teams (men's and women's) in favour of an ad for their app (which doesn't have the full fixture list). The information is technically correct, as when I wrote it the source showed the information in question. The only solution I can think of is to resort to an archived copy, but the website is very... weird. The information is there, but it's nearly impossible to read it. Nehme1499 (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Archived version is fine. Would be fine if it was tagged as a deadlink too. Just wasn't suitable as it was. Ideal checkY Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:00, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

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Lede

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 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "has represented", bad wording. if the team is the official female team, write it that way. "The Lebanese women's national football team,[a] colloquially known as "the Lady Cedars" (صبايا الأرز),[2][3] is the official womens national football team of the country of Lebannon. The team was established in 2005, and controlled by the Lebanon FA" etc.
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a fan of sources in the lede, it suggests that the information hasn't been mentioned later in the prose (which it hasn't). Things like this should appear in the prose later in the article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lebanon played their first match in 2006 against Algeria in a 12–0 defeat at the Arab Women's Championship. - Not mentioned in the prose. The championship is a little irrelevant for the lede, although you'd think they would have played friendlies before this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The match is mentioned in the prose. With the state of women's football in the middle east (at least, in its early stages) I wouldn't be surprised if Lebanon had not played any friendly matches prior. Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has more to do with the timing: for a team that was founded in 2005, playing their first qualifiers in 2013 seems relatively noteworthy. Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Notable - sure. Ledeworthy - I don't think so. It's hardly a summary of the team. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lede looks a lot better now. Good job. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:41, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

History

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  • "Even so, they had to wait eight years to take part in their first AFC Women's Asian Cup qualifications.[4]"- much prefer this to be in chronological order. Something like despite being founded in 2005, the team had to wait... in the right section of the History. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really know how to keep all the information (nickname, foundation date, one of the first WAFF teams, first qualifications) this way.  Done Nehme1499 (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • - Drawn into Group B with Egypt, Jordan and Iraq, Lebanon lost 5–1 against Egypt in their first match of the tournament. Their fate did not change, as they also lost to Jordan by a score of 3–1. In their final match, Lebanon defeated Iraq 9–0, but this was not enough for the team to get past the group stages and they finished in sixth place. - This is all unsourced. You'd have to have a good source to say that they finished 6th; as realistically they just didn't progress past the group stage. Saying they finished third in their group is fine, and not hyperbole. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the whole paragraph as I couldn't find any source about the matches in the tournament. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In their second WAFF Women's Championship in 2011[9] they were drawn with Iran, - This feels weird. Not sure why the citation is in the middle of the sentence. Remember, the source is to corroborate a statement. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. Finding historical information about Lebanese football is very difficult, especially when we are talking about women's football. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least, Farid Nujaim used to coach the team. [2].

[3] seems like a good source to me too. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs)

Farid Nujaim was already in the article as Farid Njeim. I have "corrected" the name. As for the source, it would be more suited for Women's football in Lebanon than for this article as there is no mention of the national team. Regardless, thanks for the source. It seems pretty interesting! Nehme1499 (talk) 17:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rest of article

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It could be made into its own separate article, but it seems a bit too little for that. The men's senior team has stats about individual managers, captains, top scorers and top capped players. I don't think it would be worth it to make a separate article for the head-to-head record. Croatia (GA) has it so I don't know. I wouldn't mind removing it though, but it would be nice to have it somewhere. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it should exist there to be honest. I'd rather it was gone. I've not seen an FA with such a table. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 16:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
At this point should FIFA ranking be its own section?  Done Nehme1499 (talk) 17:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None are in the article itself, however some are in the template at the end. I have lightened it up slightly. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. Lebanon never plays in a single stadium, and there are no notable women's matches played in Lebanon. No tournament has been hosted in Lebanon, and the national team has only played one qualifier (for the 2014 Women's Asian Cup, where Jordan acted as hosts). Only some friendly games have been played in Lebanon. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 16:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes & References

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I can't do much about that, it's part of a template. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I removed that for you. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 20:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments

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While I'm aware that this is an automated message, I still feel indebted towards you for what happened with the last nomination. However, looking at your GANs it seems that there are only snooker-related articles, of which I have zero knowledge on. The moment an article I feel I can competently review comes up, I will review it. Nehme1499 (talk) 14:54, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a problem. I'm working on a childrens television/football article that I could work on for GA, if you were interested in such a thing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Passing now. There aren't a great deal to go on in terms of results, which helps the article to be succinct. Prose looks fine, as does sourcing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:17, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]