Talk:Layla M.
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Layla M. has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: November 4, 2024. (Reviewed version). |
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- This review is transcluded from Talk:Layla M./GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 18:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nub098765 (talk · contribs) 07:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Heya! I'll review this. Nub098765 (talk) 07:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wow that went faster than usual, thanks for taking it on and I'm around to answer any questions. Mujinga (talk) 10:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | There are a few unclear sentences, but nothing that can't be fixed in one edit. Here are some suggestions (do discount them if they feel too nitpicky or are wrong):
Otherwise the prose is quite well-written. Good job! | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Well-formatted, with no overly great whitespace. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | There is, indeed, a well-formatted list of references at the bottom of the page. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Two comments:
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2c. it contains no original research. | See my comment below. | |
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Earwig says 76% similarity, but that site copied Wikipedia's text. The next-most similar text is 17.6% similar, so this is fine. | |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Covers all main talking points of Layla M. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | The text doesn't meander that much, and it overall is pretty concise, so I'd say this passes. | |
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | Neutrality's often a big issue with foreign film articles, so good job on the very neutral prose, Mujinga! | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No ongoing edit wars. Not many edits at all, actually, recently. So this definitely passes. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | I'm not sure IMDb would be the correct copyright holder for the poster image. Surely IMDb didn't create the actual poster?
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Image identifies the subject, and the caption is concise and correct. | |
7. Overall assessment. |
Overall, very good article! I'll perform a source spotcheck once these concerns are addressed, and I think after that, this article is good to go for GA! Good job! Thanksya, Nub098765 (talk) 21:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Nub098765 thanks for the comments, I've answered on everything, see what you think Mujinga (talk) 08:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good evening, @Mujinga: I've left some comments. Nub098765 (talk) 23:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hiya @Nub098765 I've replied to your replies Mujinga (talk) 00:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, all looks good now. My one comment could be resolved with a snap, so I'll go ahead with the spotcheck. Nub098765 (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hiya @Nub098765 I've replied to your replies Mujinga (talk) 00:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good evening, @Mujinga: I've left some comments. Nub098765 (talk) 23:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Spotcheck
[edit]- Refs 1 and 2 provide conflicting answers to the "box office revenue" sum. Ref 1 verifies what is said in the article, while ref 2 says $265,505. Which one's correct?
- strange, I don't know if discrepancies like that are common. possibly explained by ref1 being from 2020 and ref2 from 2017? Mujinga (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- But how would the film lose $500 in box office revenue over three years? Nub098765 (talk) 06:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Anything i say would be speculation. Could put "and approximately $266,000 worldwide thereafter"? Would that help? Mujinga (talk) 09:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but what about the infobox? "~$266,000"? Nub098765 (talk) 07:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office lists Box Office Mojo as an acceptable source and doesn't mention The Numbers, so perhaps I should just delete that reference? I'm wondering if it's worth asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film, i suppose it is becuase then we'll know for next time Mujinga (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources#Box office lists both Box Office Mojo and The Numbers as reliable sources for box office statistics. Perhaps you could use ~$266,000 in the infobox (and in the prose), and insert a footnote that says the sources differ, listing the specific numbers used. But that's just a spitball. Nub098765 (talk) 21:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- thanks for that - yes looks like footnote is the way to go then Mujinga (talk) 23:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Nub098765 I've made the footnote, see what you think! Mujinga (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good! And with that, and another read-over, I think this article is good to go for GA status! Good job, and thanks for tolerating my pedantry. I wish you luck in your future Wikipedia endeavors! Nub098765 (talk) 03:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the careful review, the article has definitely improved and that's the most important thing! Mujinga (talk) 08:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good! And with that, and another read-over, I think this article is good to go for GA status! Good job, and thanks for tolerating my pedantry. I wish you luck in your future Wikipedia endeavors! Nub098765 (talk) 03:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Nub098765 I've made the footnote, see what you think! Mujinga (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- thanks for that - yes looks like footnote is the way to go then Mujinga (talk) 23:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources#Box office lists both Box Office Mojo and The Numbers as reliable sources for box office statistics. Perhaps you could use ~$266,000 in the infobox (and in the prose), and insert a footnote that says the sources differ, listing the specific numbers used. But that's just a spitball. Nub098765 (talk) 21:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office lists Box Office Mojo as an acceptable source and doesn't mention The Numbers, so perhaps I should just delete that reference? I'm wondering if it's worth asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film, i suppose it is becuase then we'll know for next time Mujinga (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but what about the infobox? "~$266,000"? Nub098765 (talk) 07:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Anything i say would be speculation. Could put "and approximately $266,000 worldwide thereafter"? Would that help? Mujinga (talk) 09:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 3 does verify the claim in the prose that previous de Jong works included themes of a young girl facing oppressive circumstances. It even lists out the films you did, so good job on the no original research!
- Where does ref 5 verify that "Layla M. was shot completely on location, in Belgium, Germany, Jordan and the Netherlands, and co-produced by these four countries"?
- This confused me since I already checked that info when I was dealing with the "being a co-production between these four countries. → ...co-produced by these four countries." comment above but I must have had all the references open at once and now the correct one is in place! Mujinga (talk) 13:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 6 just corroborates that Wilders was on trial.
- According to ref 7, they did indeed shoot in Jordan.
- Ref 8 does corroborate its screenings at the Toronto festival and the BFI.
- Ref 9 does say that it was released on VOD and DVD on 27 March.
- Ref 10 includes a review list, which does include these two reviews.
- The Rotten Tomatoes scores are indeed 100% and 77%, respectively.
- Ref 14's link leads to a generic NYT page. It seems the Layla M. page was deleted or redirected.
- couldnt find a new address, marked as dead, hopefully the archive link does work although it doesn't work for me right now Mujinga (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me now. Nub098765 (talk) 06:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Refs 13, 15, and 16 are all good, with the quotes correctly attributed.
- Refs 17, 18, 19, and 20 all corroborate the awards it was nominated for.
This spotcheck is overall good, though there are three spots where I have made a comment. Thanksya, Nub098765 (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the thorough check, I've replied on everything Mujinga (talk) 13:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Replied on your rpelies :) Mujinga (talk) 09:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)