Talk:Larry Page/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Article name

This article should be moved to Larry Page, according to the Wikipedia policy for the article name to be the common name. For example, the article on James Earl Carter is at Jimmy Carter. Twilight Realm 00:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

BTW, what does "E." stand for? Anyone know his full name? --80.167.172.134 18:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Edward, apparently. -- Zanimum 20:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think his middle name is Edison.

Net Worth

The intro and summary box state that his net worth is estimated at $24 billion, while lower in the article it states his net worth, according to Forbes, is $12.8 billion - is one of these inaccurate? Are these two different estimates by different organizations? (The latter option I would find surprising given the difference between the two numbers) -- unregistered user, 02:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

According to the recent Forbes 400 list, Page is currently worth $14 billion:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/54/biz_06rich400_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html

I've struck a direct mention of Page's net worth due to the high variability; his worth is directly pegged to Google's stock price. We know that he's worth in the range of $14B to $18B nowadays, but since his net worth goes up and down by hundreds of millions (if not whole billions) of dollards each day, stating an amount in Wikipedia is just silliness. —XSG 07:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Explanation - The video on Forbes.com says that the $18.5B figure for Brin and Page (on the 2007 Forbes 400 list) was calculated as of August 31, 2007. Extrapolating the Google stock price from $515.25 on Aug 31 to its close today (Oct 23) at $675.77, Page (and Brin) would have a net worth of about $24,260,000,000 each, assuming that the bulk of their worth is solely in 'GOOG's.--JJ 07:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Did he invent the Web Page?

--Greasysteve13 10:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No, that would be Tim Berners-Lee.

Lpetrazickis (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

photo

aren't there any higher quality free-licensed photos? if there are, why is the one still used, even though its blurred, if not, doesn't anyone have personal photos of page he could publish?--Ghazer (talk) 20:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Larry Page (with friends at TED 2005)

I just did a quick search with FIST, but only found this one, which I think is not much better. Shall we use it? Regards, High on a tree (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

University of Mer Harry Mullins?

"At University of Mer harry mullins, Page was a member of the solar car team and served as the president of the HKN."

Errr.. what? University of Mer harry mullins? What's that? Th 2005 (talk) 17:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Business section

So Page built an inkjet printer out of lego bricks. How is this relevant to the business? Removed this: "While in the university, he built a working inkjet printer from Lego pieces." Genome82 12:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Not very, but they do mention it in his official biography. It's just a footnote now. -- Zanimum 20:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The part detailing the Tesla Roadster has conflicting information with Sergey Brin's wiki page. Namely the miles calculation is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.182.103 (talk) 12:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC) at work hes wife came than mr.page and mrs.page had xxx in the office

Lead section creep

The lead looks better, but i trimed the stuff about inventing google, since that is covered and also the stuff about google and books, not needed in bio lead, better in the google article. --Tom 14:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Info?

In the "Academic research" there was a sentence saying "In August 1996, the initial version of Google was made available, still on the Stanford University Web site." I cannot find the original search engine on the Stanford Site. Can you fnd a link to the website?--Fuzzyhair2 (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

$1 Million or $1 Dollar?

The article states he makes an annual salary of $1 million then later claims he makes an annual salary of $1 dollar. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.76.145.131 (talk) 16:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not an expert here but I believe all of the money except the $1 comes from stock ownership.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Ethnicity in Personal Info Box

Now, is it just me or is ethnicity really relevant? Shouldn't citizenship status be suffient? I also see it on his partner, Sergey Brin's Personal Info Box. But I do not find it in the info boxes of similar celebrities, as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, and so on. 62North (talk) 04:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Category American Jews

I have removed this category. Thanks, --Tom (talk) 18:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that this was readded. Does being born into a non-practing Jewish family make one Jewish? Does the subject self identify as Jewish? TIA --Tom (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Per the category, I guess this is ok? --Tom (talk) 20:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

-Yes, Judaism is a religion; being Jewish is an ethnicity. Therefore, practicing or not, he is still "Jewish." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.139.40 (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I have removed it again. the criteria for inclusion in this cat is not enough. see my above comments. I am sure if 50% of European Americans look deep enuff they will find one Jewish ancestor. the rules of who is a Jew should not be wikipedia's only criteria. As a bio, he would have to say "I am an American Jew" the same way Obama blatantly says "I am African-American" they must say so. Or Muhammad Ali I am Muslim (while different) the person must identify with that or evidence given. Bar Mitzvah (Jewishness), Communion (to prove roman Catholic), passport(to prove nationality), high school degree(to prove qualification), etc --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 13:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Larry Page

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Larry Page's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Forbes":

• From Eric Schmidt: "Eric Schmidt". Forbes. December 1, 2011. Retrieved December 1, 2011.
• From Planetary Resources: Brian Caulfield (April 20, 2012). "Planetary Resources Co-Founder Aims To Create Space 'Gold Rush'". Forbes. Retrieved 2012-04-22.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

'Jewish' - unsourced

I note that the article states that "Page's mother is Jewish..." (according to a source, apparently on Sergey Brin rather than Page, which appears to no longer to be available - I'll see if I can find it backed up online somewhere, if possible, and fix the link). According to WP:BLP policies however, we do not identify people by ethnicity unless a reliable source is provided. Since none is given which actually states that Page himself is Jewish, I shall remove 'Ethnicity: Jewish' from the infobox, and category 'Jewish American scientists' from the article for now, as WP:BLP policy requires. And a reminder, should the topic arise, that Halachic Law is of no real relevance here - it isn't Wikipedia policy, and trying to determine ethnicity according to law (Halachic or otherwise) is WP:OR. If anyone can find a source that identifies (preferably self-identifies) Page's ethnicity, it will of course be useful - though I would argue that it shouldn't go in the infobox anyway, since it appears to be of no relevance to Page's notability. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm - I've found the source cited for Page's mother being Jewish, via the Wayback Machine. It is worth quoting the relevant paragraph in full:

Like Sergey [Brin], Larry [Page] is the son of high-powered intellects steeped in computer science. His father, Carl Victor Page, a computer science professor at Michigan State University until his death in 1996, received one of the first Ph.D.s awarded in the field. His mother, Gloria, holds a master’s degree in computer science and has taught college programming classes. The two young graduate students also shared a Jewish background. Larry’s maternal grandfather made aliyah and lived in the desert town of Arad near the Dead Sea, working as a tool and die maker, and his mother was raised Jewish. Larry, however, brought up in the mold of his father, whose religion was technology, does not readily identify as a Jew. He, too, never had a bar mitzvah. [1]

If Page "does not readily identify as a Jew", there is even less reason for us to do so. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

It it true that Moscow is the third Rome 91.134.65.79 (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Personal life section

Why is this section a bio of his wife? I would reduce that since that is more appropriate for her own bio/article if it warrants one. --Threeafterthree (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC) Good Information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.151.76 (talk) 08:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Expecting their second son: http://www.businessinsider.com/import/another-google-heir-is-born-2009-11 and names "are held close to his breast" it says. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

This is an article from 2009 that is already used in the Larry Page Wikipedia page—as of May 2013, Page only has one son I believe. If this is not correct, it would be great if someone could make the corresponding edit.--Soulparadox (talk) 05:49, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Jewish?

More than a few sites have reported on Page's supposed Jewish heritage (but it still remains unverified), including many philo-Semitic sites run by Jews (such as this one: [2]). Does anyone have information on this? Don't we have ANY basic information about his ethnic and/or religious heritage to include in this article as is found in so many other articles? --172.162.183.108 08:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I just noticed, through some fluke involving the individual words "page," "Jew," and "Larry," that if you type the exact phrase "Larry Page Jew" in to Google the second result is the Wikipedia article "List of Jewish American businesspeople" (because all of those individual words are found on this page); co-founder Brin is on this page because his Jewish ancestry is verified and he is a businessperson. Hmmm...how...strange. --172.162.183.108 09:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Page is Jewish (at least partly). So we can now insert a little something about his heritage in to this article. From the B'Nai B'rith site: "By contrast, Larry Page, whose mother Gloria is Jewish, grew up without much attachment to Jewish religion or culture. Raised more in the mold of his father, Carl Victor Page, whose religion was technology, Larry clearly has computing in his genes. His mother taught computer programming at Michigan State, and his older brother, Carl Jr., is a successful Internet entrepreneur. Larry's maternal grandfather, however, followed a much different path. He was an early settler in Israel, making aliyah in the spartan desert town of Arad. Aspects of his pioneering spirit-as well as the staunch progressive ideals of Larry's father-have been passed down to Larry, who actively supports causes ranging from space exploration to fighting poverty in Africa" [3]. -- 172.163.119.135 21:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Than if so, is there any reason why not to put him in the category of "jewish businesspeople"? for some reason he keeps getting in and out of it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.228.121.218 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 26 April 2007.

Well if he is, why was he taken several times out of the "jewish businesspeople" category?User:Zivb2006

Re visiting ethnicity. If this can be working into the article in a meaningful way great, otherwise, is there some point to be made here??--Tom 15:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is a source: http://forums.aliensoup.com/showthread.php?t=22575 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.230.173.141 (talk) 19:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Considering that bit about his past on his mothers side, he could possibly be a friend of Israel, a zionist perhaps? He should be listed in Jewish Business people ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(^Ταλκ) 06:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Why on earth does it matter? I find it really annoying when I'm looking on Wikipedia to find out something meaningful about a person to be told in the first two or three sentences that they're Catholic or Jewish or whatever. A bunch of anal-rententives have clearly gone through all the wiki bios racially or ethnically categorising people who, by contrast, have chosen to do something worthwhile with their lives. Essentially, this practice is discriminatory, often racist, and should be stopped, particularly when those people (often living) have deliberately chosen not to hang their identity on a set of ethnic mores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.80.9.63 (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Since the source (3) is unreachable and nothing is said in any source about his father's ancestry, calling the family Jewish seems a jump. Most of the sources, and previous articles, seem to legitimately report his mother as Jewish. So, if this must be stated, it should be precise if we want to keep Wikipedia as authoritative and accurate as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.202.3 (talk) 00:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I just reverted your edit, because you didn't give a reason for it in the edit summary (please point to the talk page next time), and because no source at at all is surely worse than a print-only source. See also WP:BLP.

I have no opinion if this information should be included here, and in what form, however I would like to draw attention to the observations that the other Google founder has made about similar edits in the Wikipedia article about him: [4].

Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

According to Jewish law, a person is Jewish if and only if their mother is Jewish. The only exception is conversions into Judaism, something which Jewish religious organizations generally discourage.Bostoner (talk) 21:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Per the refernce given it says " His mother, Gloria, holds a master’s degree in computer science and has taught college programming classes. The two young graduate students also shared a Jewish background. Larry’s maternal grandfather made aliyah and lived in the desert town of Arad near the Dead Sea, working as a tool and die maker, and his mother was raised Jewish. Larry, however, brought up in the mold of his father, whose religion was technology, does not readily identify as a Jew." Now when you label a person American Jew it cannot be per the Jewish law of someones Mother, that is not the sole criteria. The person must identify as Jewish. If you say he is American then he has an American passport. If he is vegan it is because a R.S says so. Having Jewish ancestry is noteworthy but the cat is not valid. It is starting to create a whole heap of "Jewish people" who have no affiliation to being Jewish in any meaningful way. One thing is for sure we can agree it is probelmatic when who is a Jew is not clear or agreeded upon, hence air on the side of caution. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 13:13, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Part of the above is correct. According to Jewish religious law someone is "Jewish" if the mother is or if the person converts. Whether someone feels like a Jew or practices the Jewish religion is another matter. Presumably someone born Catholic and baptized is Catholic even if she/he never practices the religion or thinks of self as Catholic. By analogy, someone can be born in the USA or naturalized and be "an American". At one extreme that person may be patriotic, can love the land and its beauty, know the country's history, may be very involved with "American" things (e.g. music, sport events, politics, etc.). Another person can be at the other extreme of having no identification with America, may even reject American values, culture, etc. Even such a person is an "American". Presumably such a person can terminate her or his "Americanship" by giving up citizenship. Larry Page would surely have been considered a "Jew" by the Nazis. Nonetheless if he doesn't declare himself "Jewish" it is probably prudent not to list him among Jewish businessmen even though he is "Jewish". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.114.9 (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2014

There are many grammatical errors in this document. I request a temporary protection lift so I can correct them. PenMarkr (talk) 03:09, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

You can edit this article when your account becomes autoconfirmed which will usually happen automatically after your account is at least four days old with at least 10 edits. RudolfRed (talk) 03:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2014

Please change 'internet entrepreneur' to 'Business Magnate' in list of titles in introduction e.g. "Larry Page is a American Business magnate, computer scientist who is the cofounder of..." This is a more accurate description.

A business magnate being a person of great influence, importance, or standing in a particular enterprise or field of business. A Internet entrepreneur being anyone who sets up a internet-related business taking financial risk in the hope of profit.

Dirac740 (talk) 15:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2014

The article states incorrectly: "Both he and Page's mother, Gloria, were computer science professors at Michigan State University." Please change this to "Carl was a computer science professor at Michigan State University. Larry Page's mother, Gloria, was a programmer for the Agricultural Economics Department and instructor in Lyman Briggs College at Michigan State."

Gloria Page was never a professor at Michigan State University, and neither of the cited sources support this statement.

I know personally that in 1972 Gloria was working for the Department of Agricultural Economics at MSU as a programmer working primarily on a FORTRAN simulation model of the Nigerian agricultural economy. She was a staff member, not a professor. She resigned from her position in order to have her child (Larry). I was hired to replace her and I worked with her for a few weeks to become familiar with the job. By the late 1970's she was employed at Michigan State University again, this time as an instructor (still not a professor) in Lyman Briggs College teaching computer science, as mentioned on page 2 here (http://www.lymanbriggs.msu.edu/alumni_donors/briggantine/Archived_Briggantines/LBC_ANews_No5_08_1979.pdf).

Carl, of course, was a full professor at MSU, and I took several courses from him while earning my degree in Computer Science.

Wolfcj (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Partly done: Hi Wolfcj, thanks for the correction suggested. I've partially made the change you wanted to bring into the article. I found no source for "programmer at Agricultural Economics Department", therefore I've not added this but "instructor in Layman Briggs College at Michigan State University". Cheers, Anupmehra -Let's talk! 00:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2014

Please change: "To convert the backlink data gathered by BackRub's web crawler into a measure of importance for a given web page, Brin and Page developed the PageRank algorithm, and realized that it could be used to build a search engine far superior to existing ones.[17] It relied on a new kind of technology that analyzed the relevance of the back links that connected one Web page to another.[19] In August 1996, the initial version of Google was made available, still on the Stanford University Web site.[17]"

to:

To convert the backlink data gathered by BackRub's web crawler into a measure of importance for a given web page, Brin and Page developed the PageRank algorithm, and realized that it could be used to build a search engine far superior to existing ones.[17] It relied on a new kind of technology that analyzed the relevance of the back links that connected one Web page to another.[19]. Larry Page got the idea for the new technology from a seminar he attended by Italian Professor Massimo Marchiori, who had developed the "Hyper Search" web search algorithm on which the PageRank algorithm was largely based [20]. Marchiori tried to get funding for his radically superior search algorithm from his university, but they did not provide him with any support for the project. Page and Brin were able to easily raise funding for the idea in Silicon Valley thus taking the idea and running with it. See links [21]

In August 1996, the initial version of Google was made available, still on the Stanford University Web site.[17]

Mikeymikemike2 (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Question: Thanks for the suggestion, and for researching it and providing sources. I think the suggested prose could be better phrased. Particularly, it seems to break the timeline. I've copy-edited that section somewhat but would like to arrive at a more definitive version before inserting it. Here's what I've got (but remember what I said about the timeline - this is not yet resolved! There may also be problems with tense.)

To convert the backlink data gathered by BackRub's web crawler into a measure of importance for a given web page, Brin and Page developed the PageRank algorithm, and realized that it could be used to build a superior search engine. It relied on a new kind of technology that analyzed the relevance of the back links that connected one Web page to another. Larry Page got the idea for the new technology from a seminar he attended by Italian Professor Massimo Marchiori, who had developed the "Hyper Search" web search algorithm on which the PageRank algorithm was largely based. Marchiori tried to get funding for his new search algorithm from his university, but they did not provide him with any support for the project. Page and Brin were able to raise funding for the idea from Sun Microsystems co-founder Andy Bechtolsheim. In August 1996, the initial version of Google was made available, still on the Stanford University Web site.

Let's please keep working on this. It does seem relevant and important. Samsara (FA • FP) 00:58, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done for now: Needs more refining; With another editor on the case, this should be resolved in due course --Mdann52talk to me! 08:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Giving his money to Elon Musk?

I've removed the overblown statement that he announced "preliminary plans" to give his estate to Musk's Mars project. The reference doesn't support this reading and actually says "We're not sure if he's being literal or figurative here." andy (talk) 00:41, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks User:Andyjsmith for opening a WP:BRD discussion to discuss your removal, and giving your interpretation of the statement.

That rather brief and straightforward statement that had been added to the article was just this, and was explicitly qualified by the word "preliminary":

In 2014, Page mentioned preliminary plans to pass his estate at death to support Elon Musk's philanthropic vision to "back up humanity" by developing the human capacity to have a self-sustaining human settlement on Mars.<ref name=bi20140320> {{cite news |last1=Yarow|first1=Jay |title=LARRY PAGE: I Would Rather Give My Billions To Elon Musk Than Charity |url=http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-page-elon-musk-2014-3|accessdate=28 December 2014 |work=Business Insider |date=20 March 2014 }}</ref>LINK to Business Insider article

If you think some different or modified prose is appropriate—e.g., "preliminary thinking", or "thinking out loud", or "Page had a brain fart"—then I assume you would have simply changed the prose. But since you removed the statement completely, along with it's citation from a reliable source, I guess we just have a Discussion here.

I made a BOLD edit; you REVERTED; I'll make a proposal to give us something concrete to DISCUSS. N2e (talk) 03:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposal

The public statement made by Larry Page in approximately March 2014 about where he might leave his rather extensive wealth is sufficiently notable to be summarized, at a high level, in this biographical article on Mr. Page.

• Source LINK to Business Insider article that reports on Page's statement.

(This is not a proposal about any specific wording, as that might be more debatable. In other words, "SUPPORT" below is merely saying that this news item is worth covering in Page's biography; "OPPOSE" is saying it is not.)

• SUPPORT, as nom. Rationale is simply that a billionaire of Page's wealth, making a public statement about where he might leave a chunk of his wealth is both notable and by the source provided, verifiable. Therefore some statement about it is justified in the article, with a source to support verifiability, of course. N2e (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

• There's now a very sensible statement in the article which explains what he actually meant. No need for a debate about it. andy (talk) 11:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, two things.

1. Since you have now returned the source citation that I had added to the article, and that was the narrow scope of this particular BRD, I agree that this BRD is over. And it does indicate that your reversion of the entire thing was incorrect.
2. I do not believe that your summary, and your particular choice of quotation, gets at what Page said there very well. But I think that should be an entirely different discussion. Other editors who read this comment (if any do) might start a discussion on that, or I might if I get back here when I have more time. N2e (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support -- Current text (and quote) looks good to me. -- AstroU (talk) 12:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Background - Jewish, not Jewish backround

Who is a Jew? -According to halakha, a Jew by birth must be born to a Jewish mother. Halakha states that the acceptance of the principles and practices of Judaism does not make a person a Jew. But, those born Jewish do not lose that status because they cease to be observant Jews, even if they adopt the practices of another religion.SO So bottom line is that Judaism has classically used matrilineal descent from the time of Abraham to define " Who is a Jew". So, if your mother was Jewish, you are too. RudiLefkowitz (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not governed by Halachic law. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Volkswagen is not governed by Canon Law...?RudiLefkowitz (talk) 01:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

References

Google 2011–present expansion

For someone as prominent as Page, the most recent period of history at Google was too brief. I have entered a more comprehensive expansion and will update it. The section will probably be pared down over time. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Larry Page/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cd5464 (talk · contribs) 16:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I was going to conduct a full review of this article; however, it still has a number of cleanup banners throughout which means it's an immediate fail. Please address these then renominate for a full review. -- Cd5464 (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Birthday

Happy Birthday Larry！ — Preceding signed comment added by Lukeisawesome999 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Larry Page/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: StudiesWorld (talk · contribs) 00:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

2. Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); and

(c) it contains no original research.

3. Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Review

1. Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	This article does not appear to be plagiarized. However, this article does appear to be a duplicate of it.	Pass
(b) (MoS)	This article complies with the Wikipedia Manual of Style	Pass

2. Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	References are in compliance with the MoS. However, up to 3 of them are dead links and should be removed or fixed. Therefore, this is being put on hold. Many are also missing an access date which should be added. As these issues have not been fixed failing.	Fail
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	Some of the sources in this article seem questionable including Digital Marketing Ramblings Google (due to the fact that he works there) americarichest.com (due to the fact that it is now just an advertisement) News From Google (due to the fact that it is run by Google) Official Google Blog (due to the fact that it is run by Google) softpedia cawarchitects.com (possibly primary source) insidephilanthropy.squarespace.com. Therefore, I am putting this article on hold. As these issues have not been fixed failing. || Fail
(c) (original research)	It currently does not contain original research. However, that may change after good article criteria 2a and 2b have been fixed.	Pass

3. Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	This article is focused on Larry Page and complies with the required guidelines. However, the search engine development section may want to be split off into a BackRub article.	Pass
(b) (focused)	See 3a.	Pass

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
This article maintains a neutral point of view throughout the article..	Pass

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
The article is not currently undergoing an edit war..	Pass

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	All images are legally used.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	All images fit the article and have suitable captions.	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Fail	See 2a and b.

Discussion

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Please remove the LIES

"To convert the backlink data gathered by BackRub's web crawler into a measure of importance for a given web page, Brin and Page developed the PageRank algorithm, and realized that it could be used to build a search engine far superior to existing ones"

google was famous for (first) allowing companies to UNDO data hit algorithms and appear in searches where THEY SHOULD NOT be

search algorithms were taught at stanford and have been around a long time - and (ie, AltaVista) did high speed web searching before Google began, and database search algorithms have been in use before google even went to high school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.223.190 (talk) 14:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Unknown Height?

"Larry Page, of 5'11 height, was born in Lansing, Michigan." What makes his height relevant to that sentence? Or the entire entry? Is he particularly tall or short?

The "of unknown height" part is not relevant at all. It should be removed. It's just as uninformative as leaving it out of the sentence entirely. Noobarino 22:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC) hes wife loves hes long sick that he put in her body that makes her say yes!!!--96.4.165.99 (talk) 16:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I dont think so? Jacksparrow999900 (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

AVL Trees

What have you got against AVL Trees Larry?NNcNannara (talk) 14:25, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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Education in India

Serious problems for employment. Akmal0191 (talk) 09:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Education in India

Serious problems for employment. Asraf Jahangir (talk) 09:48, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

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Early life and education

The third paragraph of this section seems a little too "promotional" to me. -- Skaraoke 11:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

How could he earn a degree in computer science in 1965 if he was born in 1973... Did he invent the time machine as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.4.74.38 (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

The article clearly states that it was Larry's father that earned a degree in computer science in 1965 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.239.203 (talk) 01:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Why is his mother's religion an issue? if so, how about his father? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.47.64 (talk) 17:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

"and was a member of the 1993 "Maize & Blue" University of Michigan Solar Car team.[citation needed]". The cited link includes a photo http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Team_big.png that shows a picture of the team with Larry Page in it. Is an additional citation required? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fnazeeri (talk • contribs) 14:25, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Was Larry born in East Lansing or Lansing? Michigan State is in East Lansing, but Sparrow Hospital is in Lansing - two seperate cities. The citation linked to for his birthplace is unclear. Tomqj (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Place of birth

Somebody insists that Page was born in Lansing because there are no hospitals in East Lansing. This insistence reflects a misunderstanding of how births are often officially recorded and attributed geographically. The "place of birth" may be recorded based on where the mother lived at the time of the birth, not where the hospital or other medical facility was located. In Larry Page's case, if his mother was a resident of East Lansing but gave birth to Larry in, say, Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, his place of birth could be regarded as East Lansing -- that is, the place where his parents lived when he was born. For all intents and purposes, he could be a "native" of East Lansing even if the hospital was located in Lansing.

It is also true, however, that often people use the hospital/medical facility location as their place of birth -- regardless of what the official statistics say or where their mother lived at the time of the birth. But local governments, school districts, etc., need to know how many births occur to residents within their jurisdiction. In the case of East Lansing/Lansing, unless the state attributes the birthplace to the place of permanent residence of the mother then you end up with a "birth rate" of essentially zero in East Lansing (only homebirths would be counted) and thus end up with a completely distorted picture of the birth rates of different municipalities near Lansing. Local schools need to have this information -- births to mothers living in East Lansing -- in order to make long-term enrollment projections, otherwise none of the townships and municipalities in the area surrounding a major hospital complex would have any idea how many kids are likely to show up in kindergarten 5 years later.

Also, unless the state of Michigan attributes live births and infant deaths to place of residence of the mother, it couldn't produce this table or meaningful infant death rates by city.

(1) In Page's case, the bio doesn't say where his family lived, just where his parents worked (at MSU -- in East Lansing). I suspect his birth certificate may say he was born in East Lansing (even if the hospital was located in Lansing). But there is no right answer to the question where he was born based on the currently available information in the article. However, to insist that he was born in Lansing because that's where the hospital was located (a couple of miles from East Lansing) is being pedantic (we don't even know if he was born in a hospital, after all). It was therefore not "vandalism" to report the birth place as East Lansing. Take a look, for example, at this "Answers.com" response to an inquiry on this very subject.

(2) The Encyclopedia Britannica gives East Lansing as Page's birthplace.~~Mack2~~ 21:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(3) Finally, HIS OWN bio, in the paper from his graduate school at Stanford University, in which he and Sergei Brin described the prototype for Google, lists Page's place of birth as East Lansing. Take a look: http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page {sergey, page}@cs.stanford.edu Computer Science Department, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305 ~~Mack2~~ 05:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

That looks like solid research, thanks! I have updated the article using the sources you provided.

While I was at it, I noticed that the Britannica page gave 1972 as his birth year (instead of 1973 in this article). This is confirmed by the following reference:

• Christos J. Moschovitis, Hilary Poole: "The Internet: a historical encyclopedia", vol. 3, ABC-CLIO 2005, p. 46

Also, the reference cited for his full name ([5]) does not contain "Edward".

Regards, HaeB (talk) 07:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention to this information and for amending the text.~~Mack2~~ 21:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

It appears that the same individual, using various anon accounts, keeps reverting the East Lansing birthplace, despite this birthplace being documented with reference to Page's own bio on his seminal paper. Despite several requests to the user to discuss the matter on this page, he has never acceded to the request but instead continues to insert Lansing instead of East Lansing. I believe (from a comparison of the various pages that the individual has posted on or become engaged in disputes and revert wars on, e.g., on Juris doctor pages) that the same individual has posted under these anon accounts: 24.11.161.213, 98.209.6.176, and 192.203.222.59. ~Mack2~ (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

- I added a comment in the "Early Life" section of this talk page a while back addressing the East Lansing/Lansing issue. It came to my attention because I myself was born in Lansing while my parents were grad students and lived in East Lansing where Michigan State is located. My birth certificate says "Lansing - Sparrow Hospital." I don't doubt Page colloquially considers himself a native of East Lansing, but the place of birth in the simplest (and legal) definition is almost certainly Lansing, Michigan. Tomqj (talk) 07:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)tomqj

Flying cars / autonomous air taxis

Nothing about that in this article. A few sources:

• https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/19/17586878/larry-page-flying-car-opener-kitty-hawk-cora

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2019/12/01/inside-larry-pages-kitty-hawk-returned-deposits-battery-fires-boeing-cora/

• https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/03/13/flying-taxi-backed-google-co-founder-prepares-take-flight/419382002/
• https://www.pcmag.com/news/air-new-zealand-wants-larry-pages-autonomous-air-taxis
• https://www.engadget.com/2018-10-16-kitty-hawk-cora-air-new-zealand.html

—Jerome Potts (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)