Talk:Land of Punt

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About the location of the Land of Punt

I find it surprising that not more weight is given to the homonymity between Puntland and the Land of Punt. On Queen Hatsheput's temple relief, a Queen Ati of Punt (Pwenet) is depicted, with uncommonly big buttocks. It would suggest in any case an African origin for this queen. The relief describes quite a long sea voyage, which makes it likely Hatsheput's expedition left the Red Sea and entered the Sea of Berbera, previously called Erythrean Sea. Legends and folklore in Northern Somalia (Somaliland and Puntland) speaks of Queen Arawelo from the Sanaag region that straddles both regions. In the different versions of the legend, a matriarchy is mentioned. Again, this points to Puntland/Sanaag as a likely location for the Land of Pwenet described in Hatsheput's annals. On the other hand, since the evidence obtained from analysing baboon hairs is contradictory, why not remove it entirely from this article? It also assumes that baboon populations have remained static over thousands of years; on what basis? My suggestion is therefore to emphasize that Puntland is the most likely location for the ancient land of Punt, while alluding to the debates - but perhaps in shorter form. Robert Kluijver (talk) 00:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Kluijver (talk • contribs) 00:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification needed: What is/are antyue?

Re: Pharaoh Sahura's expedition to Punt, what are the goods he returns with? What is the definition for antyue, and the source for this line? I couldn't find a definition online. 100.15.131.207 (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2023

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Add to the end of § Horn of Africa some recent genetic research:

In 2023, a primarily German team of researchers published the results of extracting mitochondrial DNA from a mummified baboon. By comparing it with mtDNA extracted from 14 museum specimen baboons from the 19th and 20th centuries with known provenances, they concluded that the mummified baboon came from modern-day Eritrea.^[1] As the mummified baboon dates from a period when Egypt was trading with Punt, it may be assumed to come from there, and the authors suggest (but are unable to prove) that Punt is likely to be the same as the later-classical port city of Adulis.^[2]

Obviously, feel free to edit the heck out of the wikipedia text if you like; the main point is to add the references to recent relevant research. (E.g. I couldn't figure out a way to add, without making a ridiculously run-on paragraph, that they tried 10 mummified baboons and 21 modern museum specimens, managing to extract usable DNA out of 1 and 14, resp.)

97.102.205.224 (talk) 06:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Since the above edit request, I've seen (but only skimmed) WP:ARBHORN giving the impressive history behind the extended-protected status of the page. FWIW, I read the Ars Technica article as part of regular web browsing, which led me to read Adulis and Land of Punt for additional background. As the secondary source seemed to be a WP:RS and and the original research seemed respectable, I thought it would be a worthwhile addition to the existing list of available evidence. If I've stepped in some Somalia–Eritrea rivalry over claim to historical Punt, I can try to phrase things more delicately—just please clue me in to what the delicate issue is.

97.102.205.224 (talk) 13:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 17:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Grathwol, Franziska; Roos, Christian; Zinner, Dietmar; et al. (2023). "Adulis and the transshipment of baboons during classical antiquity". eLife. 12 e87513. doi:10.7554/eLife.87513.sa0.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
^ Fauzia, Miriam (11 November 2023). "Mummified baboons point to the direction of the fabled land of Punt". Ars Technica.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2024

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On the fifth paragraph in the section named "Proposed locations", it is written that a specific bird only has a natural habitat in the following African nations: Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and "Somaliland". However Somaliland is not a recognised nation in the international community, so I request this Wikipedia article reflects this fact and changes the term into Somalia or more accurately "Northern Somalia". To remain intellectually honest and to avoid political activism, such a step is required to be taken. EditorS2002 (talk) 05:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: removed the sentence altogether since it failed verification. M.Bitton (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Grathwol, Franziska; Roos, Christian; Zinner, Dietmar; et al. (2023). "Adulis and the transshipment of baboons during classical antiquity". eLife. 12 e87513. doi:10.7554/eLife.87513.sa0.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

[2] Fauzia, Miriam (11 November 2023). "Mummified baboons point to the direction of the fabled land of Punt". Ars Technica.

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