Talk:Lalita Tademy

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April 21, 2024	Good article nominee	Not listed
October 5, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed

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GA Review

Unsuccessful. Pbritti (talk) 15:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lalita Tademy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: SafariScribe (talk · contribs) 17:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Pbritti (talk · contribs) 19:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm Pbritti, an editor with a content background of primarily Christianity and architectural subjects. SafariScribe, your article looks promising considering the breadth of sourcing; I hope to work with you to improve it. I noticed that this would only be your second GA, so I want to offer whatever support I can! Please ping me here or on my talk page as necessary! Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review

The following comments are from my initial read of the article and are by no means comprehensive. Some comments are more directly related to the GA criteria than others, but each will pertain to an improve I believe should be made to the article. More in-depth reviewing will follow. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image looks clear of copyright issues. It's of strong enough quality to adequately illustrate the subject.

Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead sentence seems to overemphasize one achievement. I would encourage emphasizing the works that have drawn praise/commercial success in the first sentence, followed by a sentence indicating the relevant awards and achievements.
- I will trim it
The date of Cane River's release (2001) should be mentioned in the lead
- Done
Comma after Red River in the lead. A comma should precede Citizens Creek in the same sentence.
- Done
My understanding is that there ought to be a comma after Berkeley, California and Castro Valley, California in the first paragraph of the biography section
- Done Thanks for reminding me of MOS:GEOCOMMA
Tademy bagged a degree in psychology is too informal (and can mean contradictory things, as I've heard bagged used in a variety of ways)
- Changed to "had". More precise!
The s in In 1992, She should not be capitalized
- Oh my bad. Done
Hold on—she was the vice president of Sun Microsystems? This requires elaboration, as that's a major corporation. At the minimum, we need to scrounge up additional details of her time at the company.
- I'll do the same researching now
Cane River should be linked on first mention in the body and unlinked elsewhere
- Done
non fiction novel is a contradictory statement. Do you mean historical fiction? Additionally, non-fiction takes a hyphen or can be spelt as nonfiction.
According to her, She Again, s shouldn't be capitalized
- Done: thanks!
The Encyclopedia.com reference is actually scraped from an edition of Contemporary Black Biography (I'm searching to determine which specific edition). You should cite the book and use the via= parameter to indicate accessibility through Encyclopedia.com

Overall initial impression: There are some substantial issues. The most pressing is that I think that depth of coverage present in this article doesn't adequately cover the subject according to GA criteria standards. Additionally, there are some fairly substantial MOS issues; I'm prone to typos and I understand how frustrating they can be, so please bear with me as we work together to resolve them. In general, I think we could make a GA here, but we need to fairly substantially expand the article. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti, thanks again. Who am I not to bear anything? This was one of my first GANs. I tried once to withdraw it, but on a second thought, Wikipedia isn't perfect either. As I bear with you, know that there can be minor mistakes, and I want you to take your time too and do your best as you always have done per you contributions. I also agree that the article is short; in regards too, there are short GAs. For me, it can reach GA status when we keep working on it. Thanks for picking this up and don't be worried. If there is any error, drop it, and I'll work on it. Regards! — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SafariScribe: This reply does you immense credit! Thank you for your patience and openness to cooperation. By the way, I noticed you're somewhat new to editing on this account more generally. All I can say is that I'm impressed with your work thus far! Keep it up! I'll be on more soon with additional comments and suggestions. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti, Yes, I am relatively a new editor though I read Wikipedia often. In a nutshell, looking my upper comment, there are some errors though not noticable. These are typical errors one observes amidst typing fast. It's well! — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- The correction is also when an editor types consistently and quietly. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of content expansions needed

The following is a list of content expansions required for this article to attain GA status through comprehensive coverage. I must admit that the purpose of this list is to indicate that this article is unlikely to pass as a GA at this time but that it can absolutely stand at GAN again. If you believe that you can accomplish the expansion by the end of this week (let's say 00:00 on 21 April for the sake of establishing a deadline), then please make that effort and I'll perform a review then.

Lead: The lead needs to be rewritten to better indicate the nature of Tademy's writing and what literary impact they had. Additionally, some detail on her prior career (the first 50 years of her life) and her decision to become an author.
Biography: This section requires expansion. The portion on her early life and education is sufficient, but her business career needs substantial elaboration.
Career: This section is substantially lacking in coverage. Awards and honors that helped propel her work go unmentioned despite being referenced in the lead. Her debut novel is described in a manner (non-fiction novel) that does not appear in the source that is cited at the end of the sentence. There are a couple reviews of the book referenced, but these are mostly quotes with limited encyclopedic value to Tademy, containing details more relevant to the article on the book itself. The literary impact of the book is not addressed. Given that she has written other books, it's unusual that these are not more thoroughly mentioned. This section should be expanded to about double its size with new content. Manual of Style issues are fairly prevalent in this section.
Selected writings: The list should aim to include every book she has written and any important essays/short stories (if there are any). If this is a complete list, it should be renamed as "Writings". This section should be relocated to above the references
Awards and honors: This section does not appear to be an exhaustive list of every major award or honor she has received. It is also worth expanding on what these honors entail and ensuring that each honor's date of issuance is included.
Personal life: This section is woefully short. Considering the considerable number of interviews with her available online, this section could be at least a couple full paragraphs long.
References: Some of these references are to books but lack page numbers. If you have access to these sources, I request that you email them (at least relevant page numbers) to me. If they exist in digital form, they should be linked. Other citations are not full built out and should have additional parameters filled.

Please ping me if you feel you can accomplish all this by Sunday. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SafariScribe: I plan on closing this GAN if you are unable to respond or resolve the issues on the article between now and 00:00 UTC Sunday. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti, I am already editing the article. I will round off before tomorrow. — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti, I have edited the article to standard. I will now allow you review the article. The sources have their Google book links for verification, while some are PDFs. I'll try to expand more whenever you mention so. Thanks for picking this up and have a wonderful day. Thanks! — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's still not up to standard, though I know it needs more attribution. Let me know or leave the review to Monday. This is an appeal. Thanks and can be verified by my edits so far. Thanks. — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article has come a long way over the last week. Unfortunately, though, it retains a great number of minor factual issues, major MOS issues, and a deficiency in sourcing corresponding with content. I encourage you to resubmit this article to GAN after some more cleaning has been done. Do not be discouraged, as you have clearly demonstrated an exceptional ability to embrace criticism and improve Wikipedia. If you resubmit this for review, I'd love to look at it again. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

Passed. IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lalita Tademy/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: SafariScribe (talk · contribs) 11:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: IntentionallyDense (talk · contribs) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you IntentionallyDense for picking this up. Cheers!Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will be reviewing shortly. Note that there is a "Harv error: link from CITEREFNew_York_Times2001 doesn't point to any citation." error that should be fixed. IntentionallyDense (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	See comments below. IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	I spot-checked about half of the refs and found no issues. IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2c. it contains no original research.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	7. Overall assessment.	Sourcing is solid, prose is good, no major complaints. This one is an easy pass in my books. Great work! IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tademy began research on her family history, which would later be turned into a book, Cane River, published in 2001, which garnered international attention. The wording here feels a bit awkward, could you rephrase it a bit. IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On graduating as a National Merit Scholar, she started her honors program at Howard University, Washington D.C. After two years, she transferred to the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), to complete her education. Is "On graduating" dramatically correct? I'm not sure myself and it doesn't sound quite right. IntentionallyDense (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it to "upon". Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tademy and her siblings grew up hearing stories about their grandmother Emily, also known as "Tite", from their mother. In 1978, Tademy traveled with her father to Louisiana, a trip they usually took every summer. It was to meet her maternal cousin, Gurtie Fredieu, who was about 73 years old. Tademy resides in Northern California with her husband, Barry Williams. This paragraph kind of jumps all over the place. Is there any way this could be changed to flow a bit better? IntentionallyDense (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Paraphrased, and removed In 1978, Tademy traveled with her father to Louisiana, a trip they usually took every summer. It was to meet her maternal cousin, Gurtie Fredieu, who was about 73 years old. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After earning her MBA What does MBA stand for? IntentionallyDense (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Master of Business Administration., however, I've removed it as burden. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The book received international reviews and criticism. You say this but then only write about the positive things said about her book. What were the criticisms? IntentionallyDense (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That should have been ...received positive reviews from critics. Welp, I have removed it to avoid confusion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you that makes more sense! IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.