Talk:Lai (poetic form)

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Pronunciation

How is the word pronounced? It is very unclear given the spelling. --Pmetzger 15:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definition

There is a secnd, contrasting definition of the lai (lay), a French form which consists of one or more nonet stanzas (nine-line stanzas). Rhyme pattern is aabaabaabaab, the "a" lines have a syllable count of 5, the "b" lines of 2. Another related form, also a lai, is the lai noveau. (see Turco, "The Book of Forms") —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletowns (talk • contribs) 12:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This definition of the lai / lay as a poetic form is incomplete. While it IS often a narrative form as described here, there also is a strict French version of the lai which has a strict rhyme scheme (aab, aab, ...) and syllable count (5-5-2, ...).

There is also a version called the lai noveau, which has repeated endwords in stanzas 1, 4, and 6. (The endwords repeated are the "a" rhymes from the first stanza.) All this information can be found in Lewis Turco's "Book of Forms - a handbook of poetics."

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