Talk:La Japonaise (painting)

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Kimono Wednesday section

This section needs careful reworking with a very fine and accurate, and most importantly, sympathetic, toothed-comb.

I've taken out or rewritten much of the material that seemed to most egregiously violate neutrality guidelines, but I still think it needs work. It seems that the section introduces the concerns of the protestors, and then completely up-ends them as nonsense with the much longer section following it. This subtext is more obvious when you consider that originally, it the controvery was described as "unfortunate", and that, with "beautiful" used to describe the kimono, it's pretty clear the editor who wrote the bulk of this section didn't think much of balancing cultural concerns with the facts of the event.

I say this as someone whose day job pretty much is kimono, which includes making them, researching them, wearing them, and encouraging others to think of them in a context that's more than just "women and formalwear"; the concerns aren't wrong, or to be dismissed, because people in Japan couldn't understand them. Asian-American people with Japanese heritage and native Japanese people are two pretty distinctive groups, and this comes with distinctive cultural contexts and histories. In Japan, it's obvious to me why the event caused no controversy. In America, it's also obvious to me why it did.

If anyone's got the time to go over it, I'd be grateful. If you need any help, gimme a bell. I'm happy to assist. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made an attempt at addressing some of these issues, but it might need a bit more work. Owunsch (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your edit - it looks perfectly fine from my perspective. Much appreciated :) -- Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 12:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back from 2024, the four paragraphs devoted to the controversy does seem a little disproportionate. Conflatuman (talk) 22:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]