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LGBTQ was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
October 24, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
August 26, 2009	Good article reassessment	Kept
February 9, 2014	Good article reassessment	Kept
January 25, 2019	Good article reassessment	Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article

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Q: Why is this article titled LGBTQ and not LGBTQ+/LGBTQIA+?

A: Per Wikipedia policy on article titles, we follow the WP:COMMONNAME that reliable sources most commonly use. The current title of LGBTQ followed a long history of move discussions, that eventually led to the current title of LGBTQ after reliable data has shown to have shifted to use LGBTQ over any other variants in reliable sources in the move discussion in August 2024. Eventually in the future, it may be that LGBTQ+ will overtake LGBTQ in reliable sources, but for the time being, this is the reason for the current article title.

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There is a request, submitted by Landlund (talk), for an audio version of this article to be created. For further information, see WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia.

The rationale behind the request is: "important subject".

Drop the T was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 26 May 2019 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into LGBTQ. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Section sizes

Section size for LGBTQ (16 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	4,215	4,215
History of the term	11,117	11,117
Variants	24,329	37,915
Transgender inclusion	1,605	1,605
Intersex inclusion	10,417	10,417
Asexual, aromantic and agender inclusion	1,564	1,564
Criticism of the term	10,389	10,389
Alternative terms	24	21,098
Queer	3,516	3,516
SGM/GSM/GSRM	10,169	10,169
Further umbrella terms	5,252	5,252
Clinical	723	723
MVPFAFF	1,414	1,414
See also	214	214
References	30	30
External links	734	734
Total	85,712	85,712

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Not moved, 14 February 2018, to LGBTQ, see discussion.
Not moved for now, 28 May 2022, to LGBTQ, see discussion.
No consensus, 5 June 2023, to LGBTQ, see discussion.
Not moved, 20 October 2023, to LGBT (initialism), see discussion.
Consensus to move, 14 August 2024, to LGBTQ, see discussion.
Withdrawn, 15 September 2024, to LGBT, see discussion.
Not moved, 10 October 2024, to LGBTQ+, see discussion.

LGBTQIA+ is more inclusive than LGBTQ

LGBTQIA+ stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer/Questioning, Intersex, and Asexual/Aromantic/Agender. It is more inclusive because it covers more topics than just LGBTQ. The "+" takes into account for every subcatergory which is just as important. It makes much more sense to change it to be more inclusive! Thank you! Hhard157 (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We considered this in the Requested Move & Move Review; it was not the preferred consensus option at the time. lizthegrey (talk) 18:20, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's the problem. Eventually the grouping becomes meaningless and all you're left with is what we would categorize as "alternative lifestyles". It just dilutes it. Inclusivity is not in and of itself a virtue. 65.194.76.18 (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why the Italic?

Why LGBTQ is in italic? And if there's a reason for it, shouldn't all pages with LGBTQ on it (example LGBTQ history, LGBTQ community) have LGBTQ in italic? 201.92.11.147 (talk) 19:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:WORDSASWORDS EvergreenFir (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More sections:

I feel like this needs a section about what each of the diffrent terms such as Queer. Like just a quick summury of it for each of them. And also I thought the T ws for Therian. Is it? If yes why was therian not mentioned? ThErE mAy Be SpElLiNg MiStAkEs! DUCK.IN.A.LEMONADE.STAND (talk) 17:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the acronym. Readers can learn the definitions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer by following the links in the lead. Readers may also be served by the link to List of LGBTQ acronyms which currently heads the "Variants" section.

Transspecies identities like otherkin and therian are not traditionally considered part of the "LGBTQ+" umbrella, because they are not gender or sexual identities (i.e., one can have such an identity while also being cisgender and heterosexual). The T in LGBTQ has consistently stood for "transgender", as we played a substantial part of the Stonewall riots and gay liberation movement circa 1970s. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 18:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you so much for this information, I had just been recently told about therians and otherkin being a part of that community so I thought this was wrong. Deeply sorry about this mistake and a big thanks. DUCK.IN.A.LEMONADE.STAND (talk) 15:34, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Broad-concept article

"LGBTQ" is meant to be about only the initialism (WP:WAW), not the broader concept referred to by the term. However, previous talk discussions indicate this nunance is lost on many editors, not to mention casual readers. So, I've created a Draft:Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer as a broad concept article (BCA). It discusses not only the term itself, but also summarizes the other main articles: history, culture, and community. It's all done in a summary style, using automatic excerpts, so there's minimal content duplication. Without the proposed BCA, there's only an Outline of LGBTQ topics, which is not meant to contain much prose, and a long list of hatnotes in LGBTQ, which borders on violating WP:RELATED. fgnievinski (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From the title, Draft:Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer sounds like it would be an article which (arbitrarily) explains those five identities, instead of the subtopics LGBTQ history etc.. If we go forward with a BCA for this, the title should be LGBTQ and the article about the acronym should be disambiguated. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 16:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a broad concept article is needed. I would suggest LGBTQ people as the appropriate title, which would align with the structure of geographically based BCAs like LGBTQ people in Mexico, which similarly serve as the overview of articles on the culture, rights, and history of LGBTQ people.--Trystan (talk) 16:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moved: Draft:LGBTQ people. fgnievinski (talk) 18:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]