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Tsuchiya Masanobu

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I don't know what to make of this?

  1. In 1783, Kuze Hirotami was replaced by Tsuchiya Masanobu, who was "previously governor of Miyako (kyōto machi bugyō).<:ref>Screech, p. 19, citing Deshima Dagregisters, 9/67.</ref>
  2. Tsuchiya in 1984-1785 had 3000 koku as hereditary stipend + 1000 koku as Nagasaki governor's salary.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n64.</ref>
  3. Kurihara Morisada who had previously been Nagasaki bugyō, was promoted to Shogunal financial administrator or Kanjō-bugyō.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n81.</ref>

In due course, these citations can become useful somewhere, probably. --Tenmei (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate sequence

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A chronological list of Kyoto shoshidai of the Tokugawa shogunate is the most obvious way to parse the subject; but it isn't the only or even necessarily the best way to proceed. The following re-sorts the serial list by clan relationships. Okudaira comes first because the first of any series with an unknown (and unknowable) duration is unique a priori. Thereafter, the clans are listed in the order of the earliest member of the sub-set -- that is, the Makino are positioned before the Inaba because Itakura Katsuhige came before Inaba Masamichi in the chronological sequence. Whether this alternative listing format is better -- or revealing -- remains undiscovered at this point, but for the moment, it may make it a little easier for me to cross-check intra-clan relationships .... --
Okudaira clan

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Itakura clan Done

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+Makino clan Done

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Toda clan

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+Inaba clan Done

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Naitō clan

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Matsudaira clan

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Mizuno clan

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+Sakai clan Done

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Abe clan

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Doi clan

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+Ōta clan Done

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Miscellaneous


I wonder: Does this listing format invite any questions? comments? suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 18:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kamakura shogunate

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I wonder if this article might be improved by something like the following:

Kyoto shoshidai of the Kamakura period

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List of Rokuhara tandai during the Kamakura shogunate
Ordinal Name Duration Notes
The Kamakura period Rokuhara tandai functioned much like the Edo period Kyoto shoshidai.
1 Hōjō Tokiuji ...? . <:ref name="m103n2">Mass, Jeffrey P. (1976). "The Bafuku comes to the Aid of Beleagured Jitō, 1206, 1227, 1227," The Kamakura Bakufu: A Study in Documents, p. 103 n2.</ref>
2 Hōjō Tokimori ...? . <:ref name="m103n2">[see above]</ref>

References

  • Mass, Jeffrey P. (1976). The Kamakura Bakufu: A Study in Documents. Stanford:Stanford University Press. 10-ISBN 0-804-70907-6

If not now, perhaps at some other time in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]