Talk:Kuyteav/Archive 1

Archive 1

Picture Added

I added a picture of Kuyteav Trilinguist 01:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

and you still do great work! Paxse 14:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

???

Why is this listed as a Wikiproject Vietnam? Trilinguist 02:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose because this Cambodian dish is also quite popular in southern Vietnam. Badagnani 16:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Request to rename

This article should be rename to 'Kah-tieu' or ka tieu or k'tieu or kah-ti -ieu.Pwordisony (talk) 03:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I concur Ka-tieu would be the right translation.209.234.149.2 (talk) 23:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

We always need to use the most common English name - even if it looks (and sounds) stupid. Per WP:MOS. Do a Google search for different spellings - find the most common (try News and Scholar as well). Then we can move the article to that name and all the others should be created as redirects. Khmer transliteration is a pain on wiki! Cheers, Paxse (talk) 14:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The "reference" for this page is a blog by a Vietnamese chef. Now, I really don't think a blog really qualifies for a reference nor a Vietnamese person would know what the correct Cambodian pronunciation of the Cambodian noodle soup would be. Also, the external link of this article uses k'tieu. Honestly though 'kuyteav' does not even come close to a correct translation. P.S. the "reference" links back to this Wikipedia page.Pwordisony (talk) 23:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Of course, the Vietnamese pronunciation is just a bastadized version of kuy teav which is a bastardized version of the Chinese word for this noodle soup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.54.103 (talk) 04:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey, the encyclopedia Britannica, a reputable source, uses the term "ka tieu". May we now change the name of the article? Here is the link. It is used in the second to last paragraph. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/90520/Cambodia/259379/Daily-life-and-social-customs . Pwordisony (talk) 02:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I have waited 11 months and there were no objections. Page has been move to ka tieuPwordisony (talk) 01:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry I did not see this earlier. I guess we should all make use of the Cambodia Portal more often. Anyways, can you even read Khmer to look in a Khmer dictionary? Go over to SEALang Dictionary for Khmer, you can find គុយទាវ /kuy tiev/, but in common style of romanization, it would be Kuyteav. I know many Cambodians mispronounced words, Sovan is often pronounced as Savan, for instance. Sure, I know many that also say "ka-teav" also, but that is like acknowledging "ain't" is more correct than "isn't." And one last thing, just because you find a reputable source doesn't mean it's correct. My guess is that Britannica probably got their information from tourist guide books, or some poorly written Cambodian article that ignored the proper way to say/romanize it. Take it from a dictionary written by a linguist instead (Robert K. Headley) --Dara (talk) 00:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

And also, I should add that tieu (pronounced as /tiew/ or /tiev/) shows a Vietnamese influence in the Romanization (like Hu tieu). The /ie/ that is represented by 'srah a' in the Khmer script is normally romanized as ea (ex. Vihear /vi'hie/) to show that it stems from this vowel, while the /ie/ that is represented by 'srah ie' is romanized as 'ie'. The romanization of 'Siem Reap' (/siem riep/) shows the perfect example of what I'm trying to say, both of the dipththongs are pronounced the same but romanized according to the vowel character even though they sound the same. So I think it should be teav, not tieu. --Dara (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to be moving this name space back to Kuyteav. As this is more proper. There is no standardized romanization for it, but 'kuyteav' follows other ronanization styles closely. --Dara (talk) 20:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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Small changes

I killed the blog link and removed the global template. for the record I agree with Dara's page rename/move - just two years later ;) Paxse (talk) 10:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)-

POV concern

The article treats the dish as almost exclusively Cambodian in origin (without references), while it is actually common among most mainland Southeast Asian countries. --101.109.218.176 (talk) 12:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Another example of such would be Thit Kho Tau, Dongpo pork and Kakuni. These are localized versions of similar dishes with their own articles. While other countries may have very similar dishes to Kuy teav, it is a noted dish in Cambodia that even the Vietnamese recognize as being different from Pho as they refer to it as Hu Tieu (Honestly, I find it difficult to set these two apart). This article serves a purpose for the notoriety of such dish in Cambodian cuisine. --KaffirLemon (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm late to this, but for the benefit of future readers, I need to point out that pho and kuy teav are literally different soups in every way shape and form: different broths, different noodles, different meats, different places of origin, etc etc. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 08:59, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Etymology

I have restored some more technical information regarding the etymology. I want to mention that you cannot attribute the word kuy teav to just one language (Hokkien or Teochew) because these groups and others settle in Cambodia. There is no reference that states it specifically came from either language. It could have as well been introduce from Thai as a loanword (as such is the case with the numbers in Khmer; they are not based on Chinese pronunciation but Thai pronunciation). So which is why I restored the previous ambiguous explanation that states it ultimately derives from the Min-Nan languages. --KaffirLemon (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Overhaul

I made a lot of changes. Please discuss here before reverting. I did what I felt was NPOV and in the best interest of Wikipedia. --Dara (talk) 03:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Will be adding more to this article. This includes variations: there is a dry version and in Cambodian terminology, kuy teav chha (stir fried kuy teav). --Dara (talk) 04:15, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Hu Tieu/Kuy Teav

Just a reminder that the title subject is being conflated with dishes from neighboring regions. This subject is poorly written of so editing becomes difficult. I got accused of edit warring over this article.

Another thing I must reiterate is that the term for these noodle deserves it's own article perhaps best under the Chinese name (Kway Teow?) because there are dozens of dishes that use this noodle throughout Southeast Asia. For instance, boat noodles in Thailand use kway teow noodles, pho noodles are essentially the same. There are also several types of noodle soup dishes that use kway teow. And this article (kuy teav) should remain as being about the Cambodian noodle soup (which uses the same name as the noodle) and the national variations that use this noodle. Dara (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Agree that there needs to be a central overview article. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I think the best solution to this problem, per the above discussion and the discussion elsewhere on the this talk page, is simply to make this page be about the Cambodian dish. Its Chinese origins should obviously be mentioned. There's no reason to be mentioning other Vietnamese noodle dishes on this article, they belong at Hu Tieu. I will mention hu tieu nam vang here, because it comes from this soup. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 16:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

POV nationalist

kuai tiao exist across southeast asia, kuai tiao is typical chinese noodle. Lalalulilalia (talk) 11:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

As you can see in the section above, it's been recognised for some time that some reorganisation of content is needed. It's just that no one has gotten round to doing so yet. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)