Talk:Krishna Kanth
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[edit]This page should not be speedily deleted because... I am creating this page with citations. Please let me know if citations are not reliable and what more is required to retain the page. --Yasshu28 (talk) 14:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi @DreamRimmer:, can you please let me know what can be used as citations if not the streaming sites which have official albums info? - Yasshu28 (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yasshu28, music streaming platforms are considered unreliable as anyone can distribute their music on these sites. To establish notability, add at least three reliable secondary sources that provide significant coverage of the subject. Additionally, use reliable secondary sources to support any statements in the article. – DreamRimmer (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: I agree that anyone can distribute their music on streaming sites but the citations I used, have the content published by audio companies, not by the artist himself. You might have verified it. Apart from this, what can be considered as secondary sources to use as citations in this case? If streaming sites cannot be used as citations, then we may have to leave the discography section with just information. In that case, is the tag you put on the page valid? I don't see such tags in this page where there are almost no citations in the filmography, Gulzar filmography - Wikipedia - Yasshu28 (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: As another reference, the "Soundtrack" section of article Minsara Kanavu which is of Good Article standard has citations from Apple iTunes store which is a streaming platform. If we can follow a good article, then I think terming streaming sites as unreliable sources makes no sense. :-) - Yasshu28 (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yasshu28: No matter if it was distributed by a company or a person themselves, music streaming sites are considered as primary sources, and there should be no excuses for it. These aren't taken into account when determining notability. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: Sorry for replying late on this! I understand what you are saying but regarding data related to lyricists, we typically don't have secondary sources available. Even though there are some secondary sources available, they mostly don't have accurate information. I worked on compilations of some lyricists' works outside of Wikipedia and I have a first hand experience regarding this. Hence, for authenticated information about a lyricist's discography, there are only two sources, although they are considered primary in Wikipedia. One is the credits in film titles and second is the streaming platforms. As it is not possible to refer films directly on Wikipedia, we are left with only streaming platforms. If we cannot take these also into account then we cannot get authenticated information from anywhere else, based on my experience. I believe this is the reason, articles like Minsara_Kanavu with Good Article standard also referred streaming platforms for Soundtrack section. This is not an excuse, btw! I also request your help in finding the reliable secondary sources in this case. - Yasshu28 (talk) 04:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: Gentle reminder… Yasshu28 (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I did try but couldn't find any. I don't see music streaming links as reliable here, but if you want to include them, it's up to you, since I've already shared my opinion. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: Thank you for taking time to search for the secondary sources. I am bringing back all the citations removed by you. I would also like to let you know that all the citations I referred, were archived too. Thanks again! :-)
- - Yasshu28 (talk) 16:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- I did try but couldn't find any. I don't see music streaming links as reliable here, but if you want to include them, it's up to you, since I've already shared my opinion. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: Gentle reminder… Yasshu28 (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer: Sorry for replying late on this! I understand what you are saying but regarding data related to lyricists, we typically don't have secondary sources available. Even though there are some secondary sources available, they mostly don't have accurate information. I worked on compilations of some lyricists' works outside of Wikipedia and I have a first hand experience regarding this. Hence, for authenticated information about a lyricist's discography, there are only two sources, although they are considered primary in Wikipedia. One is the credits in film titles and second is the streaming platforms. As it is not possible to refer films directly on Wikipedia, we are left with only streaming platforms. If we cannot take these also into account then we cannot get authenticated information from anywhere else, based on my experience. I believe this is the reason, articles like Minsara_Kanavu with Good Article standard also referred streaming platforms for Soundtrack section. This is not an excuse, btw! I also request your help in finding the reliable secondary sources in this case. - Yasshu28 (talk) 04:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Yasshu28: No matter if it was distributed by a company or a person themselves, music streaming sites are considered as primary sources, and there should be no excuses for it. These aren't taken into account when determining notability. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)