Talk:Kripa

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Review: May 27, 2021. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Kripa appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 June 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in Hindu mythology, Kripa (pictured) was born from a clump of weeds after his father ejaculated on it?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kripa/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 10:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Sorry for my late reply as I was not aware of this, I will fix these..245CMR.•^👥📜 10:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

This is a very nice first GAN and I will have only a few minor comments to make.

The source "Ganguli" should have a date (even if it's just "2021") and be linked where it's cited.

✓ Done, added 1896 (publishing date of the last volume of the book), .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please also link Wilson 1840 where it's used.

✓ Done, .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Devas links to a disambiguation page; please choose the right target for it from the list on that page.

✓ Fixed, linked to Deva (Hinduism), .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How does "Gautama" mean "Descendant of Gautama"? ... sounds Recursive to me ...

I have added this because of the source. (As far as I know, in olden days people dont used to have surnames and instead used their "famous" ancestor's name for identification. Therefore, Gautama can be understood as a surname.), .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that we use italics for Manvantara. Maybe also gloss it as "period" or something like that.

Done, added "which is a cyclic period of time in Hindu cosmology". .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kali Yuga needs a brief gloss, something like "the last age".

Done, added "the last of the four yugas (ages)". .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I know it's difficult but it would help the reader if you gave approximate dates or date ranges for the cited documents. For the Vishnu Purana, for instance, you could say "written before 1000 CE" or something like that.

Added " (c. 400 BCE - 900 CE) for Vishnu Purana. I have added " (c. 700 BCE - 400 CE) " for Mahabharata in the Name section.

It would also help if you'd note when a document like the Stri Parva is actually a part of the Mahabharata, the first time you mention it. There are several instances.

Added "of the Mahabharata". In some places "of the epic" is used to avoid excessive usage, .245CMR.•^👥📜 10:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I know what wayang kulit is but this'll be obscure for many readers. The caption should briefly gloss "Javanese shadow puppet theatre" or something similar. It'll also be surprising to readers that this is Indonesian not Indian, so again a brief explanation ("the formerly Hindu...") would be useful.

Changed to "A Javanese shadow puppet of Kripa". Is mentioning "Hindu" necessary as it would be strange for readers?

Thanks, and yes I'd say it was necessary, especially if as you suggest it adds to readers' understanding. You might wikilink to Hinduism in Java (piped to "|Hindu") so people can click on it if curious.

@Chiswick Chap: Ok, I have added this "A Javanese shadow puppet of Kripa from Indonesia, whose culture has been greatly influenced by Hinduism.".

Good work! It's a GA. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Thank you very much for your help. I will remain grateful. Can you please suggest something for DYK. For eg. should I nominate about his birth or his immortal status or his survival of the war. .245CMR.•^👥📜 13:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't possibly comment. Choose whatever seems most distinctive and is clearly cited; the DYK team will lend a hand. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Ok, your advice is valuable. Hope that we will meet for more articles in future..245CMR.•^👥📜 13:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 01:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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17th century painting of Kripa

... that in Hindu mythology, Kripa (pictured) was born from a clump of weeds after his father ejaculated on it? Source:The Mahabharata, Book 1: Adi Parva: Sambhava Parva: Section CXXX "The suddenness, however, of his mental agitation, caused an unconscious emission of his vital fluid [...] His vital fluid, however, having fallen upon a clump of heath, was divided into two parts, whence sprang two children that were twins [Kripa and Kripi]."
- ALT1:... that after the Pandavas won the Mahabharata War against the Kauravas, some surviving allies of the Kauravas, including Kripa (pictured), raided the camp of the Pandavas during their absence and massacred all the remaining warriors? Source: Penguin Companion to the Mahabharata "In the dead of night, in the absence of the PANDAVAS, Ashwathama went with KRITAVARMA and his maternal uncle KRIPA into the Pandava camp and killed the five sons of Draupadi along with DHRISTADYUMNA and SHIKHANDI".

Improved to Good Article status by 245CMR (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Review. The article achieved GA status two days ago. It is long enough, well written, interesting, cited. The hooks are cited inline. QPQ is not required for a first nomination. Copyvio is clear. Desertarun (talk) 15:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Desertarun: Thank you very much. .245CMR.•^👥📜 15:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notes on sources

A more-critical source to Wilson, Horace Hayman (1840). "The Vishnu Purana". Internet Sacred Text Archive. is:

Pathak, M. M., ed. (1997–1999). The Critical Edition of the Viṣṇu Purāṇam (2 Volumes). Vadodara, India: Oriental Institute.

Why we are using a non-critical (pre-Pune) edition — Ganguli, Kisari Mohan (1896). "The Mahabharata, Book 1-18". Internet Sacred Text Archive.? Even Manmatha Nath Dutt is better. The best translation for the cited portions of Udyoga Parva, Shalya Parva, and Stri Parva are:

Buitenen, J.A.B van, ed. (1983). Book 5: The Book of the Effort. The Mahābhārata. Vol. 3. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
Garbutt, Kathleen, ed. (2006). V: Preparations for War. Clay Sanskrit Library Translation of Mahābhārata. Vol. V-2. New York University Press & JJC Foundation. ISBN 978-0-8147-3202-1.
Meiland, Jutin, ed. (2006). IX: Shalya. Clay Sanskrit Library Translation of Mahābhārata. Vol. 2 volumes. New York University Press & JJC Foundation. ISBN 978-0-8147-5706-2.
Crosby, Kate, ed. (2006). X-XI: Dead of Night & The Women. Clay Sanskrit Library Translation of Mahābhārata. New York University Press & JJC Foundation. ISBN 978-0-8147-1727-1.

Who is C.P. Varkey?
Penguin Book Of Hindu Names For Boys - seriously?
Mani, Vettam (1975). Puranic encyclopaedia : a comprehensive dictionary with special reference to the epic and Puranic literature. Robarts - University of Toronto. Delhi : Motilal Banarsidass. pp. 418, 419.

Greg Bailey, who drafted the Oxford Bibliography of Purāṇas notes, This is not well referenced and seems to treat the Mahābhārata and the Rāmāyaṇa on the same basis as the Purāṇas.

TrangaBellam (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vettam Mani's book is well-cited book [1][2], scholars like R. C. Hazra [3] have used it. Handbook of Hindu mythology calls it "a remarkably through work on the Puranas and is invaluable for more comprehensive studies of Hindu mythology". "Encyclopedia of Hinduism" by Constance A. Jones and James D. Ryan uses it.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dalal is yet another poor source, and uses no citation. I will rewrite the article using the above sources alongside our best critical edition of Agni Purana (1). TrangaBellam (talk) 20:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No need, KMG and Wilson are widely accepted and nothing much about Kripa is different in the Critical Edition. Mani's work is sourced and so what if he put Mbh and Ramayana.....his sources are good and most users use it. Other books are by scholars ( Names give inline citations, Dalal) gives bibliography in their books are by experts. This is a Wikipedia article and it already follows what is there in criteria. So please see for another article..245CMR.•^👥📜 02:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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