Jump to content

Talk:Kra languages

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Krau / Thuman

[edit]

There is a Chinese Wikipedia entry for a Tai-Kadai language branch of Kra called 土蠻語/土蛮语, (Tuman Yu) that is listed as "Klau" in English (although Baidu says it is "Thuman".) Can anyone confirm where it should go in the hierarchy?  Philg88 talk 04:56, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to the WP-zh info box, it's Ge-Chi.
Why do you think it's English? I would assume it's the ethnonym, which is just a variant of Gelao.
It's maybe a variety of Gelao recorded in the 17th century?
I found this snippet on GBooks:
At different points in his book, Yan Ruyi calls his Gelao protégés "turen" [a broader category]; neither turen nor Miao but a separate category; and the "Great and Small Zhang Tuman 大小章土蠻."
kwami (talk) 07:40, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Kwamikagami: Sorry, I don't think it's English - I should have said that the Chinese Wikipedia article says that the language is called "Klau" using Roman characters. Per your research above, that suggests that we should use the pinyin name (Tuman) whether it's added to this article or has its own. What do you think?  Philg88 talk 10:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We have all the varieties of Gelao in one article, so I'd think this would belong there as well, maybe in a history section. Do we have any indication that it's not Gelao? — kwami (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can see why someone might write "Klau" for "Gelao" as there is a homophone there, however, Chinese Wikipedia has a separate entry for 仡佬语 so I think that it's a different language. Maybe I should translate the 土蠻語 article and we'll take it from there.  Philg88 talk 06:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This was spoken in the northeast of Guizhou, which has a lot of ethnic Gelao and Tujia who now only speak Chinese. The numerical evidence given in the Chinese article also hints that it was Gelao. I'd say it's quite likely that Tuman was Kra. — Stevey7788 (talk) 07:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To editors Kwamikagami and Stevey7788: Further reading of the Chinese article indicates that it was a Ming dynasty dialect of Gelao. Although it could be a section of the Gelao language article, I think Tumen warrants its own article to keep the Wikidata links in sync. Do either of you have a problem with that?  Philg88 talk 08:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's a reason to create an article. It's not like our other articles would match even if we did. — kwami (talk) 09:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Kra languages. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Kra languages. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]