Talk:Korean chili pepper

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Oddly, the Korean gochu chili pepper has become a point of contention in nationalistic debates. There has been an attempt to introduce "evidence" that varieties of the Capsicum annum pepper were present in Korea prior to the 17th century, which is not supported by evidence. Many edits cite an article from Volume 1 Issue 1 of the Journal of Ethnic Foods (accessed on Sciencedirect.com) which to my knowledge is not a peer-reviewed reputable journal. Edits here on Wikipedia based on that article make patently absurd claims that the Korean pepper independently evolved on the Korean peninsula "billions of years ago," and self-contradictorily also claims that the pepper was introduced to Korea by birds that flew all the way from South America some thousands of years ago. Blckmgc (talk) 15:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Culinary use section

The Culinary use section contains no culinary uses; it's just information about the word's etymology and a short description of it's flavor profile. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 03:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unencylopedic tone, unreliable sources, misrepresentation of the sources

The majority of this article is completely unreadable. Every part of the article that claims an independent origin of the Chili Pepper in Korea either either makes claims that are not in the cited source, or uses obviously nationalistic pseudohistorical websites like conspiracy theory website "GochuTruth". The tone is utterly unacademic and uses a rant-like polemic and sarcastic style that does not belong on Wikipedia. Seeing as there are people stubbornly defending the current state of the article from fixing, I'm tagging this article for cleanup. Aelmsu (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The DNA analysis section, added in May, 2024 by a single-purpose account, is almost entirely OR interpretation of a single paper. The paper does not make the claims in this article. The last sentence at the end of the DNA analysis section is backed up by an article about sweet potatoes (not peppers) and the aforementioned "GochuTruth" blog. Absent any reliable sources, I propose to delete the "DNA analysis" whole section. (I did so last May, but the SPA put it back.)

The next section Introduction to Korea leads off citing a) "History of Korean Gochu..." article from Journal of Ethnic Foods and b) popular science article reporting on a discovery of pepper fossils in North America.

The "History of Korean Gochu" article is sketchy as heck. It isn't a survey article, it isn't a research article. It seems to be rank speculation, based on not many references and a little grounding in cognizant literature. It states no formal hypothesis, it throws around notions like "millions" and even "billions" of years.
The fossils article is used in by this article purely for a paragraph which speculates about birds spreading the peppers.

These few sentences at the beginning of the "Introduction to Korea" section could be junked as they stand. But I think it might be worthwhile tag them and then search the literature to see if there is any support for these theories.

The SPA has been dormant since May. But IP edits have taken over. -- M.boli (talk) 02:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of misrepresentation of sources in the "Introduction to Korea" section, as well as synthesis from primary sources; some of it goes into weird speculation about what terms referred to in the historical texts, and to that end, they cite more or less unrelated pieces about capsaicin's potential toxicity (using a news article about the Paqui one chip challenge), as well as Japanese pepper foot warmers. I've gone ahead and removed those passages. SInce there don't seem to be other big issues with the articles, I'm gonna remove the maintenance tag. Darth Coracle (talk) 23:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]