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Nigerian email scams question

Are Nigerian scam spams referencing this flight of interest?

From: "ELLIS LEE" <ellis-lee47@hotmail.com> Subject: Mutual Benefit Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:49:24 +0000

Dear Friend,

I know that this mail will come to you as a surprise as we have never met before. My name is Mr ellis lee. I am the bill and exchange manager in African Development Bank. I hope that you will not expose or betray this trust and confidence that I am about to repose on you for the mutual benefit of our both families.

I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of our Bank who perished along with his next of kin with Korean Air Line, flight number 801 with the whole passengers on 6th of august 1997 and for your perusal you can view this site http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/06/guam.passenger.list

Since the demise of this our customer, I personally have watched with keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive as no one has come to claim his funds of US$11.3M (Eleven Million Three Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) which has been with our branch for a very long time.

On this note, I decided to seek for whom his name shall be used as the Next of Kin since nobody is coming for the fund again. The Banking ethics here do not allow such money to stay more than 10 years, because the money will be recalled to our Banks treasury as unclaimed fund after this period.

In view of this I got your contact through the Internet when I was making a research on a foreigner that I will use in this great opportunity because I don't want the money to be recalled to our Bank treasury as unclaimed fund. I have also agreed to offer 40% of the total sum and the rest 60% will be for me.

The reason for a foreigner in the business is for the fact that the deceased man was a foreigner and it is not authorized by the law guiding our Bank for a citizen of this country to make the claim of the fund.So the request for you as a foreigner to come into the business is necessary, it will facilitate the release and transfer of the fund smoothly into your reliable Bank account as the only surviving relation to the deceased.

If you are really sure of your integrity, trustworthy and confidentiality, and accept not to cheat or disappoint me after this business, reply with your telephone and fax numbers and Banking account details where you wish to receive the fund.

Upon receipt of the above mentioned information, indicating your interest in the business, I will send you by fax or e-mail a letter of application which you will type and send back to our bank to enable us start this transaction.

I will not fail to bring to your notice that this business is risk free and doesn't have any negative implication. You should not entertain any fear as all modalities for the smooth and easy transfer of this fund have been finalized. This transaction will be completed within 14 bank working days immediately we start the business.

Waiting for your urgent response and please kindly delete if you are not interested. Regards,

Mr.ELLIS LEE. African Development Bank Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso.

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.125.198 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe they are. Why? :) -- Whereizben - Chat with me - My Contributions 20:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had noticed an upsurge in references to various air disasters in Nigerian style scams. For potential suckers who might be researching the mentioned flights, it might be useful to them to see that the message they got was a scam. On the other hand, it is pretty off topic.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.125.198 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if a reliable source refers to it, it would be fair game for this article. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Found it! http://ns.gov.gu/guam/ WhisperToMe (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of coarse text

Hello everybody, I just removed some coarse text in the end of the article, which said f**k those survivors... lol 24.202.204.189 20:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Korean Air passenger nationality list

Guys, I am working on this list:

Nationality	Passengers		Crew		Total
Nationality	Total	Killed	Total	Killed	Total	Killed
Japan/ South Korea	1	0	0	0	1	0
South Korea	0	0	0	0	0	0
New Zealand	1	0	0	0	1	0
United States	0	0	0	0	0	0
Total	237	214	17	14	254	228

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/05/guam.later/ said 13 passengers were not Korean

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

"190 - the contemporary pacific • spring 1999." - Mentions Governor Carl Gutierrez

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KAL801 files

From the University of Bielfeld in Germany All are English versions - no Korean versions included

"Who's Who" and "Opening Statement" are not included in the Bielefeld pages, nor is the final report

Exhibit items

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/kal801/Exhibits/Ex_5A_att26.pdf and http://www.ntsb.gov/events/kal801/Exhibits/Ex_6A_add1.pdf are not included 2R-2Y are not included 13D is not included

WhisperToMe (talk) 15:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NTSB English text

Text from NTSB English pages is at Talk:Korean Air Flight 801/NTSB files in English WhisperToMe (talk) 04:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NTSB Korean text

The NTSB posted Korean translations, but they were wrongly encoded

Using http://www.motobit.com/util/charset-codepage-conversion.asp (encode the page in Unicode, convert unicode to ISO 8859) I was able to extract the Korean text from the pages.

Please remember that U.S. Federal websites are in the public domain!

The text is at Wikisource:ko:대한항공 801편 추락 사고 For instructions see Talk:Korean Air Flight 801/NTSB files in Korean WhisperToMe (talk) 03:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

π==Stuff==

Brief: http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/1yrse3uim5a2ktfjxchsuxex1/T06272011120000.pdf
Factual report: http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/vbl3t445lt4l54eq2vszdg2y1/Y06272011120000.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001208X08606&ntsbno=DCA97MA058&akey=1
("900 mourn plane crash victims") "Local and area briefs." The Augusta Chronicle. September 2, 1997.

More archives

http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/Incidents/NoMirror/NTSB/Guam/COPY/default.htm

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot pressuring

The crash in 1997 in Guam is a good indicator of having to "making use of all the people in the cockpit." The ILS system was out of service during the time of their flight but even with the junior officer and flight engineer reminding the captain, the plane was not able to escape the fate of crashing several miles short of the runway. ^[1]

"Actually, correcting one’s boss is a universal problem. It’s not confined to Asia or airplane cockpits. And it isn’t simply whether to express disagreement. It’s also how you do it and how what you say is heard." ^[2]

Pilot pressuring by ranking can be a part of miscommunication, along with cultural power distance. This is usually "driven by respect to authority and attitude toward hierarchy". ^[3]

References

^ Wald, Matthew; Onishi, Norimitsu. "In Asiana Crash Investigation, Early Focus Is on the Crew's Actions". The New York Times. Retrieved 11 October 2015.
^ Wheeler, Michael. "Asiana Airlines: "Sorry, Captain. You're wrong."". Linkedin. Retrieved 12 October 2015.
^ "The Ethnic Theory of Plane Crashes". Retrieved 12 October 2015.

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229th fatality

According to the final report (https://reports.aviation-safety.net/1997/19970806-0_B743_HL7468.pdf), there was a 229th fatality more than 30 days after the crash (Page 1 of the report, on page 15 of the pdf). This is not an official fatality, but similar instances have been included in the death toll in other crashes on Wikipedia, such as Delta Air Lines Flight 191 and Continental Airlines Flight 603. Should the fatality number be updated to 229 with a note, just like is practice on those other Wikipedia pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.69.109.225 (talk) 08:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a temporary note to the article, since I haven't received an answer here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.69.109.225 (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would say yes, the fatality number should be update to 229. As you said, it's been done with other articles as well. Tigerdude9 (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Docket

The public docket, DCA97MA058, can still be accessed in the NTSB's docket management system. You can rescue sources. Tigerdude9 (talk) 17:37, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

what is a crossbar?

The issue of 'cross bar' design is mentioned, but the description or a link to a seat crossbar is missing. What is it? Where in or at the seat is it? How was the design changed?

[Asiana_Crash-1] Wald, Matthew; Onishi, Norimitsu. "In Asiana Crash Investigation, Early Focus Is on the Crew's Actions". The New York Times. Retrieved 11 October 2015.

[2] Wheeler, Michael. "Asiana Airlines: "Sorry, Captain. You're wrong."". Linkedin. Retrieved 12 October 2015.

[3] "The Ethnic Theory of Plane Crashes". Retrieved 12 October 2015.

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