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POV pushing

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The article is rather heavily slanted, both in the general presentation of the organization, and in its description of inter-faction rivalries. Sample unacceptable sentences:

  • In the situation of lack of independent workers movement in Russia and of hegemony of bureaucrat trade unions, CRAS-IWA focuses on promotional activities in their daily struggle.
  • The splinter group usurped a name of Inter-professional workers union (MPST) and some of its members insisted to be “MPST-KRAS” although without any right.

All in all, it reads more like a manifesto than an neutral encyclopedia article. Most likely, the original article in the Russian Wikipedia shares these problems, but that's irrelevant; standards there may be different. Hqb (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Hqb: You were spot on. I just threw the whole thing out and started over. Shame it took 15 years for this to be sorted about but the POV stuff is gone now. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Notability?

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When I came across this article, I was shocked to discover just how bad a state it was in.[1] It had a lot of pretty glaring issues with grammar and language, to the point that it was basically unreadable. It was also based largely on blog posts, including quite a few from KRAS-affiliated sources. I then discovered that the article was created by the KRAS itself and expanded on by a range of Moscow-based IP editors. Previous attempts by Hqb (talk · contribs) to tag the glaring issues with the article (diff1; diff2) were quickly reverted by Muscovite IP editors (diff1; diff2). I ultimately took it upon myself to rewrite the article from the ground-up (diff) but now I find myself wondering if the effort was worth it.

When looking for English language sources, I was met with a dearth of coverage (see Google Scholar results). The few sources that brought up the KRAS only mention it in passing. The only English language source I found that gave it significant coverage was Vadim Damier's book. Now, don't get me wrong, Damier has a doctorate in history and is a very talented historian. Anyone looking for a broad history of anarcho-syndicalism would be hard-pressed to find many better books than his. However, his chapter on the KRAS gave me some odd vibes. He doesn't cite any sources in the chapter and his descriptions are rather vague, gesturing towards the organisation having branches in a number of cities without ever giving concrete membership figures. He mentions that the KRAS supported (not organised or participated in) strikes, spoke out against the Chechen Wars and supported some other campaigns. He also never discloses his membership (or de facto leadership) of the KRAS, which I think represents some pretty substantial scholarly dishonesty. As such, I took care to provide in-text attribution when citing him for information on the KRAS.

Reliable Russian language sources on the KRAS are also difficult to find (see Google Scholar results). Most of them likewise only mention the KRAS in passing, usually in lists of Russian anarchist groups, where the KRAS is often given the least amount of detail. I was able to find a 1997 book that gave some more in-depth coverage, and the picture it paints wasn't encouraging: the group peaked with only 15 members and seems to exist more on paper than in practice. Alexander Tarasov was almost mocking in his depictions of the KRAS.

I attempted to cover all this to the best of my ability in the rewrite, but it has left me wondering whether this group is notable enough for its own dedicated Wikipedia article. The most significant coverage it gets in English sources is by an author that is not independent of the subject and the most significant coverage it gets in Russian secondary sources cast shade on its notability as well. I'd appreciate other editor's thoughts on this, as I'm in two minds about whether this article is worth keeping around even in its rewritten form. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of independent sourcing is the most concerning part for me. Unless there are some Russian sources you haven't found, I'd consider some potential merge targets, perhaps anarchism in Russia or maybe an article on Vadim Damier [ru] if there is sufficient sourcing. czar 12:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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