Talk:Konatsu

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Do you really have to add ALL those techniques? Just put the more reprsesentative ones.

If, as noted in the trivia section, Kenzan is not actually Konatsu's last name, why is the article titled "Konatsu Kenzan"? Wouldn't "Konatsu (Ranma 1/2)" be a better title? - CNichols 20:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this article discuss fanfics? Encyclopedia articles for fictional characters should discuss the source material. I suggest moving this and similar material to a Ranma 1/2 Fandom article, or is necessary creating a section in the article called Fan Treatment or something similar. I'm guessing this is a pervasive problem in the Ranma related articles. - CNichols 02:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The assertion that Kenzan is not in fact Konatsu's surname could use some supporting evidence - giving the word in the original kanji, for example. (The only source I've been able to find - which may be wrong, since it claims Kenzan is indeed Konatsu's surname - gives it as 剣山. This is an existing Japanese surname, and also a tool used in flower arranging; the first character can mean "sword", but I see no way to get "cruelty" out of either.) I'm not sure whether it's worth adding a "citation needed" tag, though. - 202.180.127.220 16:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fancruft

The article is full of cruft. Could someone work on this? Also, the other guy is right, there's no need to add each and every attack Konatsu uses; hell, the guy even made a special move to roll himself up in a matress! I don't think all that should be here.Facer 19:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT tag

I still think it is inappropriate. LGBT studies is literally the studies of Lesbian, Gay and Transgender topics. Konatsu is a character, not a topic. There is some others under the LGBT portal that may cover him but this particular one doesn't. Derekloffin 02:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Derek. Also, Konatsu is an 'effeminate' heterosexual cross-dresser, neither gay nor transgendered. Dave 08:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check the transgender article. Transvestite, drag queen, and cross-dresser are all included under the broader meanings of the term. Since there's no evidence that Konatsu dresses the way he does for sexual reasons, he's not excluded under the definitions Wikipedia editors have agreed upon thus far. In other words, according to the rest of Wikipedia, he is transgendered because he's a transvestite. so sayeth Lucky Number 49 ^{Yell at me!} 17:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you could explain, since it isn't clear to me, but how are LGBT fictional characters not a topic for LGBT studies? If "Lesbian, gay or bisexual figures in fiction and myth" is included in the LGBT portal, then isn't it part of the broader general grouping of LGBT studies articles? It might just be me, but it seems like saying we shouldn't include squares in the group of shapes when there's a rectangle sub-group within the group of shapes. so sayeth Lucky Number 49 ^{Yell at me!} 17:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it seems like I've simply committed a blunder. I thought transgendered strictly applied to people who had underwent a sex-change operation. However, he remains straight, and in his later appearance when helping to mind Ukyo's store he explicitly refers to himself as a heterosexual male. He also does not wear 'drags', dresses and similarly 'characteristically feminine' apparel, just gender-neutral 'ninja uniforms', hence it remains a stretch to state that he is an active cross-dresser or currently considers himself as a female. He was raised as one, but is strictly 'effeminate' at the end of the series. Then again, I included Ukyo in the 'fictional ninjas' category which is likevise a stretch...

Beyond this, there is a difference in context between a very non-subjective scientific definition of reality with rectangles and squares, and using a humour character with very loose connections to the concept, to reference to a serious real-world matter, but again, that's strictly a comment of distinction rather than objection. I included Ryoga in the 'characters with handicaps' due to his very autistic limitation in a few areas. Meaning: I don't really mind as such, but you might want to re-evaluate for more poignant examples. Do as you wish. Dave 12:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]