Talk:Kola Norwegians

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Kola Norvegians

The title is right, but the meaning of the people is not. They were actually Finnish speaking Kvenu people who had moved from Kainuu to Norway to seek better life on the shores of Arctic Ocean (Jäämeri). They settled mainly to Kalastajasaarento in Petsamo area, which Tsar Alexander II in his ukaza on 15th February 1864 promised to The Grand Duchy of Finland as compensation of Siestarjoki of Kivennapa borough in Karelian Isthmus where the Rajajoki Rifle Factory was located which was ceded to Imperial Russia´s proper in Northern Ingermanland.

They settled in four villages at Kalastajasaarento where was infact also Finnish population. They shared one village Vaitolahti, with Finnish population, the Kvenus settled the eastern part of village the Finns the western part. As far as it known, not a single ethnic Norwegian moved there. This make it much easier to understand, why they were force settled to Soviet-Karelia at the same time when all the ethnic Finnish population were deported by Stalin´s delegated order to Lavrenti Berija. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.116.165 (talk) 16:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beriia's USSR NKVD order no. 00761 dated 23 June 1940 on the deportation of foreign nationalities from Murmansk oblast lists the following target nationalities for deportation to the Karelo-Finnish SSR (paragraph 1в): "Finns, Estonians, Latvians, Norwegians, and Swedes" (emphasis mine). The next paragraph (1г) lists several other groups also to be deported to the Russian interior: Germans, Poles, Chinese, Greeks, Koreans, "and others". Thus if, as you claim, there were actually no ethnic Norwegians there, why would Beriia bother listing them? As far as I know, representatives of the other nationalities listed (e.g., Latvians, Greeks, etc.) were all actually present and deported on the basis of this order. This information comes from the text of the order (published in full in ISBN 5856461436). Do you have any WP:RS to back your assertions that the Kola Norwegians were not in fact Norwegians, but Kvens? —Zalktis (talk) 18:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the OP means to say that he is using a different definition of what it means to be Norwegian, than what the Soviets did. He's talking about ethnicity, whereas the Soviet deportation order concerns their former nationality. And after 60 or 70 years, my guess is that the majority of the persons who were forcibly moved were second- and third- generation, and thus less "Finnish" than their parents or grandparents, who had made Norwegians of themselves prior to this. That is, unless I'm misunderstanding the whole thing.

When in Russia, speak Russian... right ?

The article points out that many children [by the end of World War Two] had been raised without learning to speak Norwegian. How is this noteworthy ? 80 to 90 years after their ancestors immigrated into a country that doesn't speak Norwegian, this is to be expected... I would think (especially considering the harsh penalties imposed by the Stalin regime, as mentioned in two paragraphs above this). And they weren't even deported to Norway but moved to another part of the USSR. There was probably no need to speak Norwegian there either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.66.170 (talk) 05:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Made-up numbers?

Hi, I checked the source for the demographic figures in the infobox and norwegians were not cited as an distinct ethnic group. I checked the history of the page and it looks like an IP adress contributor keeps inventing huge figures since October 7, 2023. (Please excuse me for my bad English.) Langouste92 (talk) 09:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, it looks like the 15 February 2024 edit on Murmansk Oblast article by an IP address contributor provides the same erroneous data to that article. Langouste92 (talk) 09:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted the numbers to how they were before October 7, 2023. Holtseti (talk) 20:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]