Talk:Koja e Kuçit

Does this clan exist?

Or is it simply part of the Kuči? It all points to this.--Zoupan (talk) 22:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

"Koja e Kuçit" which means "Kojë in Kuči", refers to the village of Koći in Podgorica, Montenegro. This article, which contains promotion of "First intellectuals [descending from families from Koći] who completed University degrees", and several images which are obviously taken from some site (see File:Panoram.jpg, which, as the others, has a clear grey-brownish border at the bottom), and overall is original research. As "Koja e Kuçit" is found once in Google Books, I would propose to delete and redirect the page to Koći.--Zoupan 19:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.

I agree. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Koja / Koći are considered a separate "tribe" by Malësors. In its defense, we could merge some information into the Koći article. Perhaps just save the surnames and the so-called "Seven Heroes of Koja" from the Battle of Dečić, if they exist at all. The rest seems redundant. --Prevalis (talk) 00:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Koje or Koja is the Albanian village near the village of Kuci. They are a distinct group of people. Members of Koja are ethnic Albanians while members of Kuci tribe identify as Montenegrin. They are not the same and never have been. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.9.75.196 (talk) 17:19, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Koja was part of the Albanian province until the Treaty of Bucharest in 1913. With the Ottoman withdraw forced by the great powers, of the time, Albania lost much land. ulquin was the last to lay down arms at this time. After the land was obtained lands were given to Greece, Yugoslavia, and Bulgaria. Koja was included in the part in current day Montenegro. Lands including Hoti, Koja, Triesh, Gruda and many other small clans were absorbed into Yugoslavia. Pretash Zeka Ulaj was the clan leader, bajraktar, who led Koja at Deciq. The 7 hero's were actual people who died for Nana Shipri. I am an American born son of Koja. My people speak, read, and bleed Albanian. During the 500 year Ottoman occupation we upheld the Albanian traditions, language and culture. Even to this day, 106 years after Deciq, in a foreign land we hold Albania, our mother, close. Tuzi is the culture center for us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.209.23.35 (talk) 19:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

What does this mean?

Sorry, I'm a bit confused about what Serbian truncation has to do with the names of these Albanian tribes...For example: Albanian: Ulaj Uljaj Serbian: Ul(j)ević) Does this mean that Uljevici are related or descended -and vice versa- from the Uljaj tribe OR is Uljevic simply how we pronounce these particular Albanian last names? Just Curious 174.91.8.151 (talk) 07:10, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Albanians were forced to Serbianize their surnames whilst in Yugoslavia for socio-economic reasons. Albanians were largely looked down upon and had a better chance finding a job if their last names ended with -ić. Ultimately, Ulaj is the Albanian version, and Uljević is the Serbian version they adopted. For most, officially, you will continue to find the Serbian version of their surname on their legal documents. However, informally, they use the Albanian version of their surnames when speaking to friends, acquaintances, family, etc. Many are in fact returning to their old surnames, but, again, most continue to use their Serbianized surnames. It's a rather complicated issue. --Prevalis (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I would like to have all the work from Koja e Kuçit version either attached or left alone to Koci version. All information in Koja e Kuçit version was up to date. Lets discuss the process

I would like to have all the work from Koja e Kuçit version either attached or left alone to Koci version. All information in Koja e Kuçit version was up to date. Lets discuss the process Obarac (talk) 04:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)