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Requested move 26 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 23:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Knull (character) → Knull – Based on WikiNav statistics and article pageviews analysis, this article on the character is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term "Knull" and provides a WP:NATURAL title. Even though the character was introduced in 2018 and recently appeared in the new Venom film, the amount of viewership going to this article as opposed to other similarly titled ones far outweighs WP:RECENTISM. The redirect Knull, which points to the German mountain range fully known as "Knüllgebirge" (the article was moved to the shorthand name in 2017 with no rationale and the German Wikipedia entry uses the full name) has seen a spike in recent weeks, likely from readers attempting to locate this character article. That German mountain range should move back to the full name with this becoming the primary topic, as the redirect without diacritics is being sought after for the character and not the full name anyway. There is also Knull, Idaho, which is adequately disambiguated. The character is far more likely to have significant usage than these two locations. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Comics/United States comics work group, WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Comics, WikiProject Comics/Marvel Comics work group, and WikiProject Comics/Spider-Man work group have been notified of this discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Knüll isn't really a short, "Gebirge" just means mountains/range. Contrary to English. where adding mountains/range is usually part of the full name, it is not in German. In German it is usually just an optional extension to the actual or official name (see other German mountain ranges like Taunus, Odenwald, Schwarzwald, Harz, etc.). The reason for the German page using Knüllgebirge rather than Knüll is probably simply due to the fact that de:Knüll is a disambiguation page.

That aside however I see not problem with changing the redirect without the Umlaut and just have disambiguation note in the article for the character or a disambiguation page. But moving Knüll to Knüllgebirge makes no sense to me. Also note that original name of the page was indeed Knüll not Knüllgebirge, but then it was moved to Knüllgebirge without a convincing reason and then more recently moved back again.--Kmhkmh (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that makes sense. I don't have such a strong opinion on the mountain, just didn't know if the name without diacritics would prove to be an issue or not. Trailblazer101 (talk) 09:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also do plan on making a new DAB page at Knull (disambiguation) to aid in navigation for these similar terms, as I believe it would handle it better than overdoing it with hatnotes. Trailblazer101 (talk) 09:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trailblazer101: I don't see why the disambig can't be made now, with Knull, Idaho as its third topic. BD2412 T 15:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per nom. The character is likely to be better known to English-speaking audiences than the mountain, to which this is only a redirect anyway. BD2412 T 15:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support at the very least no primary topic though the absence of the diacritic doesn't distinguish per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, or failing that, move Knull (disambiguation) to Knull per WP:NOPRIMARY. 162 etc. (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I see no evidence of notability here, which IMO is a prerequisite for becoming primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Per nom. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.