Talk:Klallamornis

Klallamornis was nominated as a Natural sciences good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (September 19, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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A fact from Klallamornis appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 June 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the flightless suliforme Klallamornis likely went extinct when the volcanic islands it used for shelter along the coast of the Pacific Northwest eroded away into the Pacific Ocean?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the flightless suliforme Klallamornis likely went extinct when the volcanic islands it used for shelter along the coast of the Pacific Northwest eroded away into the Pacific Ocean? Source: "Global changes in the temperature of the oceans and the erosion of the offshore volcanic islands on which they nested may have caused the extinction of large-sized, and eventually all genera of plotopterids."
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-paleontology/article/new-late-eocene-and-oligocene-plotopterid-fossils-from-washington-state-usa-with-a-revision-of-tonsala-buchanani-aves-plotopteridae/EC8BA073236D4B511D0B316C81377BE0
- ALT1: ... that the pelagic flightless suliforme Klallamornis swallowed pebbles like the modern king penguin, for reasons yet unknown? Source: "Pebbles found in association with the Whiskey Creek K. buchanani and with the holotype of K. abyssa may indicate that Klallamornis may have consumed pebbles to serve as gastroliths, for reasons yet unknown, like modern penguins,[7] and its relative Olympidytes."
  https://www.jstor.org/stable/24740257 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311543663_A_preliminary_report_on_the_diversity_and_stratigraphic_distribution_of_the_Plotopteridae_Pelecaniformes_in_Paleogene_rocks_of_Washington_State_USA
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- Comment: This is my first nomination for a DYK, so I'm not sure I'm not messing this up, honestly.

Created by Larrayal (talk). Self-nominated at 03:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Klallamornis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article is long enough and fresh off the presses. Copyvio not detected. Referencing is good. Hooks are interesting and cited inline - will AGF against the paywalls. First DYK so we can skip on the QPQ. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The links in the hook are excessive but the article is interesting WP:SEAOFBLUE. Bruxton (talk) 23:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Klallamornis/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: SilverTiger12 (talk · contribs) 17:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'll take this review. As a beginning note, there are many duplinks throughout the article. And there's a stray citation in the lede.

Lede

This genus included the largest North American plotopterids. This sentence is redundant to During its existence, Klallamornis was the largest plotopterid on the North American continent., and I find that second sentence poorly phrased. The genus still exists, it just isn't extant.
The second paragraph is too short. Say a bit more about what they looked like: feathers, beak, size and weight estimates. It needn't be in much detail, but all you currently say is that they're superficially like penguins.
The genus has a complicated taxonomy; of the three species published, two of them, K. buchanani and K. abyssa might be synonymous. K. buchanani was only recently assigned to the genus, and was referred until 2021 to the related genus Tonsala. ?K. clarki is only tentatively referred to the genus. One of the specimens assigned to ?K. clarki, generally nicknamed "Whiskey Creek plotopterid" in earlier paper after the locality where it was discovered, might be the oldest known plotopterid, dating as far back than the Priabonian. -> "The genus has a complicated taxonomy: of the three species assigned to Klallamornis, two-K. abyssa and K. buchanani-might be synonymous, and ?K. clarki is only tentatively assigned to the genus. K. buchanani was originally described as part of Tonsala, and was only re-assigned to Klallamornis in 2021; its few differences from K. abyssa have been attributed to sexual dimorphism by some researchers. One of the specimens assigned to ?K. clarki, generally nicknamed the "Whiskey Creek plotopterid" in earlier papers, might be the oldest known plotopterid, dating as far back as the Priabonian."
Klallamornis appeared during a period of global cooling, marked by the apparition of kelp forests in the North Pacific and a renewal in volcanism along the coast of the Pacific Northwest, creating a chain of volcanic islands in the area, a perfect area for the reproduction of large flightless birds. -> "Klallamornis evolved during a period of global cooling marked by the [spread? development? growth?] of kelp forests in the North Pacific and a renewal of volcanism along the coast of the Pacific Northwest, which created a chain of volcanic islands [in the area? near the coast?], a perfect [nesting site?] for large, flightless birds." The second half of the sentence is clunky, you might want to end it at Pacific Northwest and then start a new sentence about these islands and how good they were for Klallamornis. "The resultant chain of volcanic islands was ...."

I'll come back to this soon, but my initial thoughts after reviewing the lede are that this really needs a copyedit. And the Description section later on seems sparse. It needs more description of the shape and size. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Larrayal:? Any progress? SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Larrayal: It's been several weeks with no response at all here. Please respond soon or I'll have to fail this nomination. SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria: 1. Working

2. Everything is cited to journal articles, and Earwig finds no plagiarism or copyvio. Pass.

3. Broad in coverage - yes.

4. Neutral - yes.

5. Stable - yes.

6. Illustrated - yes. I'm not sure the Waimanu image and the gallery of penguins and auks really help the article- I find the gallery more confusing really. IMO only two images, one penguin and one cormorant, would be enough.

As it has now been over a month with no response, @Larrayal:, I am failing without prejudice. Sorry, and good luck next time. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.