Talk:Kitsap (Suquamish leader)

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Kitsap (Suquamish) and Kitsap (Muckleshoot)]]

...need splitting...Skookum1 (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Cowichans" vs. Suquamish

The Puget Sound Indians, not normally organized above the level of individual bands, formed a confederation under Kitsap to strike against the Cowichan Tribes of southeast Vancouver Island, who often raided the Puget Sound. However, Kitsap's flotilla was no match for the larger canoes of the Cowichans; after suffering heavy losses in the sea battle, the Puget Sound Indians were forced to retreat. Kitsap was one of the few survivors of this ill-fated expedition.

"alliance of Cowichan-area tribes" is more accurate; the link is to an "Indian Act govarnment", there was and is no 'Cowichan peop[le' ethnographically and also in that time period 'Cowichan' was used to mean everyone from the Tsouke and Songhees to the Chilliwacks and Skwxwu7mesh/Shishalh and Penelakuts and Sneneymux...what's the actual text from the source pls? Does it just say Cowichan or does it specify the Cowichan Valley area/? Skookum1 (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:"Cowichans"

While Skookum was correct about the misattribution of the name Cowichan, all the sources only say "Cowichans" specifically, even the (relatively) new book from Buerge. Another source which might highlight this or clear this up would be excellent. This would make it clear why the Suquamish would go to Victoria of all places to seek out the Cowichan, who live around western Vancouver Island, and why they targeted the Tsou-ke village.PersusjCP (talk) 06:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in 1825, the Suquamish leader Kitsap led an alliance of tribes stretching from the Columbia River to Puget Sound to stop the Cowichan slave raids wreaking havoc on the Sound?

Source: Buerge (2017)[1] p.33: "....when the Suquamish chief Kitsap organized a confederacy to meet a threat from the north."

Ibid. p. 41-42: "The most feared were the Cowichan ... Slave raids had led the Cowichan far from their homes in search of human merchandise ... by spreading havoc on the sound, they likely intended to eliminate rivals and make the HBC come to them"

Ibid. p.42: "The confederation Kitsap engineered stretched from central Puget Sound to the Columbia River, and Old Man House was its nexus."

Ibid. p. 43: "The attack likely took place around 1825 ... Kitsap and other Suquamish men took the lead"

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Created by PersusjCP (talk) and SeaTraff (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

PersusjCP (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

QPQ done: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Counterintelligence_Group PersusjCP (talk) 16:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]