Talk:Kirk Creek Campground

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Netherzone (talk) 18:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request - Fix errors

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Please fix the following two citations:
- For the this citation, change work to publisher.^[1]
- For this citation, remove the right brackert "]" in the title.^[2]

References

^ Robert O. Gibson (1974). Archaeological Site 4-Mnt-238, U.S. Forest Service Kirk Creek Campground (National Register Nomination Form). Retrieved 2024-03-04. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
^ "Cultural History ]". Archived from the original on 2016-08-25. Retrieved 2016-08-22.

Greg Henderson (talk) 00:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done thanks! NotAGenious (talk) 15:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Society for California Archeology

@Graywalls: You removed the url from this diff because the document was hosted on the site's google drive. Is it OK to replace the offending URL with the actual host site Society for California Archeology at here? It looks like Society for California Archeology is using a google drive to store and host most of their documents. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, editors often privately uploads, or link to privately uploaded copyrighted contents with the only security measure based on having the URL link. When you provide a raw drives.google.com link, it has to be assumed it's as can. You've sufficiently given explanation in this response. Graywalls (talk) 06:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verification and clarification

I am unable to verify "Archaeological Site 4-Mnt-238, U.S. Forest Service Kirk Creek Campground (National Register Nomination Form)" Where can this text be read?

Added three maintenance tags where technical terms need to be clarified for the average reader. What do these sentences actually mean? I also was unable to verify. Netherzone (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone: It is from this location. When it was originally added, Graywalls did not like it because it was hosted on Google Drives, so removed it.

Technical terms:

Middle Period - The above Archaeological Site 4-Mnt-238 document says: "The site represents the only intact, well-documented archaeological assemblage from the Middle on the Big Sur coast."
Archaic period covers the Middle Archaic period. In the above doc, it says: "Evidence of a short-term, Early Period hunting camp is also represented."
Obsidian hydration, Subsistence pattern is coming from the same document, "Regional analyses include chronological data from coastal sites, obsidian hydration, Olivella shell, subsistence patterns, and a Late Period shift to the interior."

Since I can't quote, the document, according to Graywalls, do you have any suggestions to help with this citation? It was a very hard article to write and did so because it was on the U.S. national register of historic places. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, we should NOT use Google docs because it presents serious privacy issues for those who access/download/read docs.

The average reader probably does not know what these various periods mean unless they are explained. (Middle period, Middle Archaic Period, Early Period, Late Period, etc.) Dates would help to demystify these technical terms if they are to be used at all in this artile. Not everyone is an archaeologist.

BTW, I left you a message on your talk page with a couple questions. Netherzone (talk) 16:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Netherzone, I've created the below Edit Request - Citations needed, with a more reliable URL/citation for the Mikkelsen source, and was able to find a 2nd source to better clarify the site MNT-238 information and dates. Greg Henderson (talk) 00:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request - Citations needed

This edit request by an editor with a partial block from editing this page has now been answered.

In the lead section, replace the first sentence "Kirk Creek Campground is an archaeological site dating to the Middle Period^{[clarification needed]}" of the Big Sur coast in California."^[1]
- To "Kirk Creek Campground, site CA-MNT-238, is an archaeological site on the Big Sur coast in California, dating from 2000 BC to AD 800."^[1]^[2]
Under the History section, replace the setence: "The site stands as the sole intact and well-documented archaeological assemblage from the Middle Period, or Archaic Period, along the Big Sur coast, encompassing evidence of a short-term Early Period hunting camp.^{[clarification needed]}^[1]"
- To "The site is the only preserved and documented archaeological collection from the Middle Period, also known as the Archaic Period, along the Big Sur coast. It includes evidence of a Early Period hunting camp."^[1]^[2]
Under the History section, for the next paragraph, replace the setence: "The regional analyses cover chronological data from coastal sites, obsidian hydration, Olivella shell, subsistence patterns, and a Late Period transition to the interior."^{[clarification needed]}
- To "The regional analyses includes chronological data from coastal sites, obsidian hydration, Olivella shell, subsistence patterns, and the transition to inland areas during the Late Period."^[1]^[2]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Mikkelsen, Patricia; William Hildebrandt; Deborah Jones; Jeffrey Rosenthal; Robert Gibson (2006). "Excavations at CA-MNT-238, at Kirk Creek on the Big Sur Coast" (PDF). Proceedings of the Society for California Archaeology. 19: 220–228.
^ ^a ^b ^c Jones, Terry L.; Kathryn A. Klar (2010). California Prehistory: Colonization, Culture, and Complexity. Lanham, MD: AltaMira Press. pp. 131–132, 136–139, 142.

Greg Henderson (talk) 00:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deactivating lingering requests from Greg Henderson that nobody has bothered to evaluate after his site ban. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Robert O. Gibson (1974). Archaeological Site 4-Mnt-238, U.S. Forest Service Kirk Creek Campground (National Register Nomination Form). Retrieved 2024-03-04. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

[2] "Cultural History ]". Archived from the original on 2016-08-25. Retrieved 2016-08-22.

[Mikkelsen-3] Mikkelsen, Patricia; William Hildebrandt; Deborah Jones; Jeffrey Rosenthal; Robert Gibson (2006). "Excavations at CA-MNT-238, at Kirk Creek on the Big Sur Coast" (PDF). Proceedings of the Society for California Archaeology. 19: 220–228.

[Jones-4] Jones, Terry L.; Kathryn A. Klar (2010). California Prehistory: Colonization, Culture, and Complexity. Lanham, MD: AltaMira Press. pp. 131–132, 136–139, 142.

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