Talk:Kings (game)

This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:

Withdrawn, June 9, 2009, see discussion.
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Speedy keep, May 3, 2006, see discussion.

Sources

This page has been marked for not citing its sources, how can you cite sources for a game that is passed through word of mouth? -- Ciper

Has it not been referenced in any publications? -- Zanimum 18:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't think so. Also, this should be merged with the Ring of Fire (drinking game) article. Disco 16:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually plenty of sources online in drinking game databases. - hmwith talk 05:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has actually been cited in many publications. I've added these sources in the rewrite. hmwith τ 19:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very poor article. I'm trying to find a general understand/rules of the game and this is full of propaganda and opinion. Needs get rid of all the stupid 'binge drinking' links and stick to the actual content of the game. If I remember to come back here after I scan the internet for the actual info I want, I'll come back and rewrite it. --Ceetar (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The point of the page is to show you can play with your own "house rules". I have always played the way i was taught, but as most games it's good to mix the rules up. I have typed up and laminated my own house rules but to mix it up a bit i've also made a few other sets of rules for my company to choose from and also one with blank spaces next to the cards numbers and letters so we can write any rule we want in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.172.51 (talk) 09:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Variants

Since the variants are getting rather large, I'll leave this one here. In most circles I've played in, everyone contributes to the King's Cup, and it is typically played with hard alcohol. This way, not only does the person who loses get very drunk, they also have to drink an utterly foul concoction of several different drinks.70.190.114.169 07:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

laughs* yes, it can get especailly foul if everyone brings DIFFERENT drinks, so you've got (for example) a beer/cooler/vodka combo (*shudder*)

Clean up

I will completely clean up this article. If anyone object, let me know... or just revert the changes that I made. - hmwith talk 18:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I put whores and dicks into the list instead of mentioning them at the top... makes more sense to keep all the variations of the cards together in one spot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.237.234.30 (talk) 23:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Whoever changed it back - I don't know about you, but if I was looking up rules, and I wanted to see what the rules for drawing a Four were, I would like to have ALL variations of the rule for Four under the "Four" heading, not some under the "Four" heading and some in the introduction. That is not consistent at all. Supakila 05:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At the top, it mentioned the main variations. Then, later, it mentions some less common ones. It explains WHY the rules are sometimes used for other numbers, and how it starts. Wikipedia isn't a place for all game rules or to figure out how to play a game. This is a page explaining the game itself, not the rules of it. - hmwith talk 20:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tables

I added tables for the card rules. I hope this makes things easier to read/edit/understand. - hmwith talk 20:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rules for Card Values

I believe the variations in different circles on what rules apply to certain card values are too diverse to list them by card value. I propose that there is a list of all rules (common and rarer ones) and a statement to the effect that depending on the players, different cards may relate to different rules. -- ricmitch 17:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The main, most common rules are listed up top. Then, there is a statement that there are many various rules everywhere, including... and says the other, less common rules. What should be changed about that? - hmwith talk 05:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The rules are listed with specific card values next to them. My point is that the card values vary SO widely that it is not constructive to do this. Out of interest, who determined, and by what method, the "main, most common rules"? -- ricmitch 09:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources online. The other rules are all completely unsourced, word-of-mouth rules, but I'll change them to just rules without cards. - hmwith talk 12:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Since a user kept reverting to his or her own picture, I decided to prevent an edit war by using his/her image, but a cropped version, so one can actually see the game. The other picture shouldn't be cropped, since that picture is showing the game in progress, and the one in the infobox is showing the cards on the table. Neither pictures are mine, but I'm just doing a job, as a Wikipedia editor, to use the best possible image available for an article. Do not be offended if your personal image isn't the best... or could be made better fitting for the article. Remember: it's nothing personal! - hmwith talk 00:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced

I say we remove all unsoruced information. I will do so, now. If one can find sources for rules/variants, please re-add them. =) hmwith talk 15:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your sources are just random people who have their own personal version of the game. There are so many variations all the rules should be kept. -- Esemono 03:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It will become insanely out of control with everyone adding random rules. Wikipedia is not for things made-up one day. I agree that they aren't the most reliable sources in the world, but they're better than no source, and it keeps some random made-up rules from appearing. hmwith talk 18:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thumbmaster

Thumbmaster- All 52 cards are spread on the floor with a group of 5-13 players. the 4 number 7 cards are the cards that determine the "Thumbmaster". The Thumbmaster is the then annointed the "leader of the game". During gameplay at anytime the humbmaster can call "Touch" or "Thumb" which implores all other players to touch their thumb to the floor. The last to touch has to drink a full beer. The cards are given different values suh as drawing a "2" ,earns the drawer, he/she has to take 2 drinks from their drink. so on, other rules include certain cards entitling the drawer to make someone else drink. This is usually reserved to the Jack-Ace cards, with Jack being one drink, Queen being two, King being 3 and Ace being a full drink. Variations of Thumbmaster include the Jokers being in the mix, whoever draws te first Joker is the Winner, whoever draws the scond is automatically the runner up. Every game after the first, the winner of the previous is the "Thumbmaster". The winner is determined by who has taken the least amount of drinks in the game, or who has drawn the most sevens. The winning "Thumbmaster" starts the next game as the Thumbmaster, and may change card values and add more rules, and or change how many drinks are taken for not following the touch command. Second place shuffles and then scatters the cards across the floor, third place is responsible for keeping the new games record, fourth-however many are normal people, second to last is responsible for furbishing alcohol to the game, and is in essence the "beer bitch" last place is the loser and must wear an empty beercase with loser written on it on his head.
The usual Card value's

2-2drinks
3-3drinks
4-full drink
5-1 drink
6-"call out your shot"- you can take as many or as as few drinks or none at all if you so desire
7-Thumbmaster
8-"3 drinkers" 3 people must take drinks
9-"4 Drinkers" 4 people must take drinks
10-"All In", "Fifth Avenue", "Chug Down", "Beer Bong/Flash Drink" All In-everyone drinks, Fifth Avnue-Five People Drink, Chug Down, starting with the drawer, everyone chugs a beer in the games motion, clockwise or counter-clockwise "Bong Bong/Flash Drink"-The Drawer has to drink 24 ounces of beer from a funnel/everyone chugs a beer the one who chugs fastest wins, and can steal the title of Thumbmaster. Tese values are usually based on suits. for example the 10 of hearts is "All in", 10 of Diamonds is "Fifth Avenue", 10 of Clubs is "Chug Down" and 10 of Spades is "Bong or Flash"
Jack- The drawer picks someone to take a drink
Queen- the drawer picks one person to take 2 drinks or 2 people to each take one drink
King- Drawer picks one person to take 3 drinks or 3 people to take one drink
Ace- the drawer picks one person to chug a beer or up to 4 to each drink half a beer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esemono (talk • contribs) 07:43, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

What's this? hmwith talk 18:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If this your WP:OR? Haha, I'm trying to figure this out... hmwith talk 14:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed rules

Time BombThere is also a variation of this rule where players put a closed beer can in the center of the ring. After each card is drawn, it is inserted under the tab of the can. Cards keep getting inserted under the tab until the force of the cards open the can. The player who puts in the card that opens it has to drink the entire beer.

	Take/Give a drink - The player has to drink the number of fingers of drink equal to the value of the card picked up or they can give out the number of fingers of drink equal to the value of the card picked up. Optionally, the players can have a rule where black cards make the person who picked up the drink, drink the drink and red cards allow them to nominate another player to drink. It's not necessary to use the black and red rules - the game is a lot easier to understand for new players if you just choose whether to drink yourself or give to others, or remove nomination altogether.
	Guys drink - All of the men (Jacks is a term for men) at the table must take a drink.
	Drink to the Queen - Everyone stands and must cheer “To the Queen!” followed by a good 2 fingers in her honour.
	Girls drink - All of the women (Queens) at the table must take a drink.
	King's Cup - This rule is enacted if a King is picked up. The central glass is filled with beer. For each King that is drawn a little more is added to the central glass. Whoever picks up the fourth king must down the contents of the glass. This rule can be done with shots instead, or any mix of beverages in the glass.
	"Joker" - The player who draws the joker hangs onto it. At any time when made to drink (Doesn't apply to the kings cup, or any shots) the player may hand the joker and the drinks to any other player, who then possess the joker and ability to hand off drinks.

Can't they be found or sourced? -- Esemono 13:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A bunch of the rules are already mentioned earlier in the article. They're typically just used for other cards (from my experience). If you can find sources, feel free to re-add them. hmwith talk 18:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change the official Rules

Right now the official rules are based on An associatedcontent blog post where card values 2-9 are drinks that must be given out or taken. Yet the other three sources say that cards 4 and up have value or some sort a rule. Three against one the "Official Rules" should be changed to reflect this -- Esemono 02:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No sources agree! All of them say different things. It's hard, because these aren't the most reliable sources, but they're better than nothing. I think that source is the most reliable one, and it's also hard because everyone plays different ways. There are so many variations of Kings that its ridiculous. Everyone sort of plays that way they want. People have added their WP:MADEUP rules on here, ones that I didn't even know existed. We need a compromise on this article to make everyone happy.

Wikipedia is not a a "how-to" or "game guide", so perhaps the rules themselves should not even be in the article. Maybe we can just talk about how rules vary everywhere, and maybe give a few popular examples. hmwith talk 14:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. 24.67.162.134 (talk) 18:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I removed the specific rules. hmwith τ 19:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ophanded image

This photo was used in Captain dickhead wich is now just a redirect to this article. Figured I'd mention it here rater than leave it in limbo, though it doesn't seem all informative to me. --Sherool (talk) 15:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's an okay image, but the one used in the article is a better view of the same thing. hmwith τ 19:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Total rewrite

I totally rewrote the article using nothing but reliable sources, because it was nominated for deletion. I also removed the {{howto}} tag since I removed all of the "how to" material. This page should be an overview of the game, rather a guide on how to play it, especially since "house rules" vary (which is noted in the article). hmwith τ 19:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

House rules

Do we really need such an extensive list of house rules/variations? They seem to be taken from that one site that is cited in the previous paragraph, which is a party supplies store. This doesn't necessarily strike me as the most authoritative of sources. Kansan (talk) 02:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

General Citation Problems

This game was invented in college as a drinking game - to my knowledge it was loosely based on some card game called "master mao" or something similar. Although there are websites that contain information about the game, more often than not I've noticed these sites are interested in populating their variation of the game and not the original game. The original game did not contain "thumbmaster" and I'm not sure who came up with that, but I've played this on both coasts, in Europe and the US, the deep south and some of the midwest and I've only ever heard of "four" being "floor" which mirrors seven being "heaven"...I don't think I need to go into detail as to why it is more likely that a bunch of drunk college students would break their merry rhyme scheme between numbers and rules (2-you,3-me,4-floor,5-guys,6-chicks,7-heaven,8-date,9-rhyme) for "thumbmaster" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.132.154 (talk) 02:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apps

There's quite a few Android/iOS apps that help with playing the game, I was wondering if we should include a section listing different notable apps? Octalmage (talk) 21:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Information - King's Cup

The article does not currently explain the purpose of the King's cup. Except for the special (local) rules, it is not explained under what circustances the King's cup is consumed. Please can someone fill this in from an appropriate source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:67A0:A:5:C543:F98D:C80A:8505 (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

King - uvajaem. Sledovatelyno i okrujenie.

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A gde smusl ?! 176.59.193.125 (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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