Talk:Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1301)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: LT910001 (talk · contribs) 08:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take up this review, reviewing this article against the six good article criteria (WP:GA?). I've had experience reviewing a number of historical articles, including about Árpád. I will take 2-3 days to familiarise myself with this article and then provide a review. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Source check pending
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Samples checked - no violations found
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	No issues
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Comments

Overall an extremely well-written and thoroughly researched article. I will do a second thorough read-through, check images, for plagiarism & copyright problems, and check sources before I finish. I do not anticipate any major problems. I've had a skim through the previous PR and FAN to see what other editors have thought. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Calvin999 many thanks to your edits to this article. It's very well-written and cited. I will see if I can access the sources on google books to verify your thorough research. I have one or two questions about the content of this article:

Firstly, it's very easy to read, comprehensive and well-sourced
In the article, it states that after the Cuman chieftan was massacred, they left Hungary - this is at odds with the Hungary page which states they were ultimately assimilated
- Yes, the Cumans returned to Hungary after the Mongol invasion (which is mentioned in the fourth sentence under the subtitle "Last Árpáds (1242–1301)"). Their assimilation began only in the 14th century. Borsoka (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, thanks for clarifying. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be worth mentioning anything about the use of Latin at all in Hungary at the time as a national language?
- Sorry, I do not understand your above suggestion. It is probably because I am not a native speaker of English. I do not understand the expression "national language". Borsoka (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not to worry - this is not important. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that I have no qualms about this article and am just trying to find the sources. I'm sorry this review is taking so long, as I am going through a period of business in real life :). --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Addit - the good article criteria are met in that this article is verifiable but as I cannot access the sources I cannot state it to be verified - requirements beyond the GA criteria. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LT910001, thank you for your comprehensive review. Please find my comments above. Borsoka (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a very good article and I have very little to add. Good luck at WP:FA! --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should add a more thoughtful conclusion :). This is one of the few articles that I've reviewed which I have nothing to add. It meets off the bat all the criteria required for a good article - well written, very well sourced, well structured and with no copyright or image problems. Well done do you Borsoka and good luck in your future editing! --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words. If it is well written, it is due to the thorough copyedit by Corinne. I would like to thank it for her again. :) Borsoka (talk) 11:11, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cumans were not really assimilated, they got a medieval version of reserve area like Native American Indians in the USA, and they got some medieval privileges, which they could only in their reserve area, the so-called Kunság. Cumans were decimated by Christian and Hungarian forces during the Ottoman wars. They were sytsematically replaced by Serbian Albanian and Romanian migrants during the Ottoman wars, this colonization was supported by the Ottomans. Moreover Cumans did not survive the Great Turkish war, they were exterminated in the 1680s by the Crimean Tatars ( the ally of Ottomans) and Habsburg and Hungarian forces. After the Ottoman wars, a mixed pan-balkan population and newly arrived Hungarian population started to claim the rights and privileges of the former "cumania" (Hungarian Kunság) reserve area (the rights of the extinct ancient Cuman population). Cumans had the right for free election of judges, free election of clergymen, they were free from taxes, they were also free from the power of feudal landlords and feudal taxation and they can avoid of manorialism and the serf/ villein status, they have right for land ownership. Thus the newly migrated population started to call themselves as cumans, to get the privileges of the extinct cuman people in Cumania/Kunság area. Later the descendants of the migrant population believed that they were the real descendants of ancient Cumans. Here is a good article about Cumans in Hungary, you can use the Google Transaltor. http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-legyunk-vagy-magyarok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.122.49.45 (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]