Talk:Kim Ju-ae/GA1

GA Review

Passed. seefooddiet (talk) 21:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Yue (talk · contribs) 04:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Seefooddiet (talk · contribs) 00:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Seems like this is the only good image available of her on Commons, although I suspect maybe there are images of her online that are permissible for use? Either way it's a short article so maybe not that important or useful.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
See notes

Notes

Hi again, I'm taking up this review! Again it'll be quick due to the solid writing.

Have you verified that the hyphen in her name is the common spelling? It's possibly "Kim Ju Ae", given North Korean romanization.
"is the daughter" in first sentence may read to some that she is the only daughter, "is a daughter" may be more appropriate.
Think it's worth somehow indicating the alternate proposed names for her in the lead somehow. When you read only the lead it kinda gives the impression that it's "Ju-ae" vs. no alternatives. Since there are only two major alternate possible names, think they're worth mentioning in the lead.
It'd be nice but optional to have the corresponding Korean text for "beloved", "precious", and "respected"; these somewhat serve as titles for her.

Pulling more content ideas from Namuwiki. That corresponding article is really long, and is mostly speculation and hearsay of varying quality, so I think you made the right choice with keeping this article brief. Feel free to use or disregard anything here, just suggestions.

[1] This 2022 news report says an unnamed defector had escorted two high-ranking North Korean children on an overseas trip, who were named "Ju-eun" and "Ju-ae". The article proposes that the "Ju" particle comes from Ri Sol-ju's name, and the "Eun" particle from Kim Jong Un's. It then proposes that the Hanja for her name is 主愛 (think worth including Hanja somewhere in the article).
[2] But Kim’s school friend João Micaelo told Radio Free Asia in an interview in May that the dictator may not actually have fathered a son at all, as he never mentioned a male offspring during their conversations. [3] In March, South Korea’s top intelligence agency said Mr Kim could have three children and the eldest could be a male heir. The National Intelligence Service (NIS) told the parliamentary intelligence committee that it continued to believe that he has a son but does not have "concrete evidence”. (original interview in Korean on radio free asia, more or less says same things as these eng lang sources).

I've checked refs 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, and 21, and they all support given claims. seefooddiet (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have included the suggestions stated above; the spelling of her name "Kim Ju Ae", changed "is the daughter" to "is a daughter", and included the sources 1, 2 and 3. Pangalau (talk) 14:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seefooddiet: Thank you for taking up one of my GA nominations again, I appreciate it. I will take a look at your content suggestions and review Pangalau's contributions as well in a short bit. Cheers! Yue🌙 19:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seefooddiet: These changes should fulfill your content suggestions without contradicting verifiability policies. Some answers to the points you raised:

Reliable sources in English seem to be half-half between having the hyphen and not having it. Because of a recently failed move proposal for this article and similar topics, I opted not to propose a move before starting the GA nom. A note was added to the lead about the alternate spelling.
Your other three points were fulfilled. I kept the Korean for the adjectives out of the lead though because it seemed too cluttery in my opinion. They aren't the full titles in the lead anyways, so it seems unnecessary to have the Hangul, while the claimed names definitely should.

Yue🌙 20:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree on half-half assessment. Unfortunately that seems to be the case for many North Koreans.
Agree on not needing to include them in lead.

Everything else seems good to me! Well done. seefooddiet (talk) 20:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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