Talk:Kids (film)

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"Harvey Weinstein of Miramax, wary of (or perhaps even pressured by) parent company Disney's opinion of the risky screenplay, passed on funding the production of the film. After Cary Woods showed him the final cut, however, Harvey and his brother Bob bought the distribution rights to the film on their own, without Miramax/Disney money (much like they did for Fahrenheit 9/11)."

This is slightly wrong, and somebody, not me, should correct it if they feel like it. The film was originally purchased by Miramax, by then a Disney company, at Sundance. When it was submitted to the MPAA they gave it an NC-17, which director Larry Clark rejected, opting instead to release it unrated because he wanted younger people to see it. Miramax, as part of Disney, is unable to release films unrated because of some agreement with the MPAA. Clark was offered money to cut the film to get a lower rating but refused. In the end the Weinsteins, the heads of Miramax, bought Kids back from Miramax and released it through their own new company called "Excalibur," which was created specifically to distribute the movie. Gus Van Sant is also credited as Executive Producer on the film when this article says he "fell off the project" after Cary Woods came along. Both in fact have producer credits.

Jenny & HIV

I think Jenny's drugged-out date rape near the end pretty much tells us that we can't trust her belief that Telly was the only sexual contact she'd had. I've changed the plot description in the article to more accurately reflect what we saw in the film. Furthermore, since we are in fact dealing with a piece of fiction, it's hard to assess the "facts" of things that happened off-screen and were only discussed by unreliable characters in the story. --Wclark 01:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

In addition "Casper then rapes her in her sleep, therefore getting HIV." is incorrect. The fact is that there's a pretty low risk of female to male transmission of HIV. While clearly that's what the movie years to imply, it's a faulty assumed to assume Casper just infected himself.

No it isn't. If you have unprotected sex with someone who has HIV then there is a 98.99% chance that you will be infected as well. Don't have these young kids thinking that there chances of getting HIV is low if they are guys. Dumaka (talk) 16:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Where on earth did you get that statistic? It's pretty much the inverse of that number: http://www.thebodypro.com/content/68672/putting-a-number-on-it-the-risk-from-an-exposure-t.html 86.148.43.26 (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Assumption about Jenny's sexual past

The fact that Jenny is raped while *unconscious* does not divulge ANY information about her past sexual experience, this is a very ignorant thing to assume. Drugs like "rufees" actually work to make the victim docile and easily lead. The victim will actually REMEMBER what happened, though the details of which remain foggy and therefore it is hard to process crimes that involve drugs. As an aside, I believe this film is grossly sensational, portraying rape as morbidly desirable for men. 69.250.217.217

How does this pertain to the article? Also, please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of them. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 06:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The fact that Jenny is raped while unconscious during the course of the film shows that Jenny may not be aware of all of the sexual encounters she's had. She may have been raped before, and so her claim that she had only ever had sex with Telly may be false (without her even being aware that it's false.) I always thought that was the whole point of the rape scene — to show that naive beliefs held by these kids can't be trusted. Telly's belief that he's only ever slept with virgins is probably false (unless he slept with a virgin who had contracted HIV some other way) and so is Jenny's belief that Telly was her only partner, or that in a culture of random drugged-out sex and casual rape anybody can even be sure who they've slept with. I've modified the article accordingly. --Sapphic (talk) 00:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

There are random acts of hidden silly vandalism in the article. Also the discussion page promotes illegal activity. --Jackaranga 22:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Sex scene with Telly and Darcy

A few times I noticed in the plot description that Telly was described as "raping" Darcy. I truly believe the sex act between Telly and Darcy to be consensual; I can only guess one of the editors said it was rape because she was crying. You need to take into consideration that Darcy was losing her virginity and was no doubt in a lot of pain as Telly was, due to lack of a better word, pounding her aggressively and not taking her feelings into consideration.

I disagree with this assessment. I think the encounter is rightly categorized as rape. First, it is stated that Darcy is 13 and Telly is 17, which at the very least makes their sexual encounter statutory rape. Second, Darcy was coerced into sex by Telly, after repeatedly saying how afraid she was of the pain. This is a form of sexual violence because of the emotionally abusive nature of their conversation. Edm2018 (talk) 06:39, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Girls Telly has sex with are gently talked into it, not coerced. Telly describes his method in the scene at Paul's place: "(they) like it slow, they like romance, they like things to be sweet and romantic". Jennie's recollection also doesn't point to lack of consent, coercion or experience of rape, but that of deceit: "It's not even the fact that he devirginized me. It's the fact that after it was done he never spoke to me again. He talked all this bullshit and then just broke out". As for statutory rape, that's a legal term and it would make no sense to describe the (rest of the) plot in legal terms in an Wikipedia article about a movie. Therefore, all references to rape should be removed, except maybe when describing sex between Jennie and Casper. 93.141.20.166 (talk) 03:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Mad Props

FYI: During the apartment scene, with the balloons and reefer, the KIDS are huffing NO2 or Nitrous to get high, not helium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.111.96 (talk) 05:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

That would actually be N2O--not NO2. 68.46.183.96 (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

RUBY & anal intercourse

INT. TESTING CLINIC - DAY The black nurse takes a long sip from her mug. BLACK NURSE Have you ever had anal intercourse? RUBY Yes. BLACK NURSE With how many people? RUBY Umm. Three I believe. But I'm not sure. BLACK NURSE Were they wearing condoms? RUBY Uh. Yes. Twice they weren't. Two times they didn't.

I think it important for the page to mention that along with Ruby’s promiscuity, she also engaged in anal sex, which puts a person in the high risk category for HIV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJudge1900 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

External Link has changed!

Please change the Link from Harmony-Korine.com to [1]. --87.145.197.142 (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Your bidding is done now, sir. --Breshkovsky (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Semiprotection review

• 03:46, 24 May 2008 Nightscream protected Kids (film) ‎ (Persistent vandalism from multiple anonymous IPs, and ignorance of repeated warnings and past blocks. [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

That was nearly 18 months ago. I'd like to review this to see if semiprotection is still necessary. As well as welcoming opinions from regular editors I've contacted Nightscream, the protecting admin. --TS 03:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Since protecting the article, I've learned that indefinite semi-protection is not appropriate. Nowadays I don't semiprotect articles for more than maybe 6 months or a year, tops. But I didn't recall that this was one of the articles I indefinitely protected. Sorry about that. I've removed the protection. Let's hope it won't be necessary again. Nightscream (talk) 04:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The era of HIV

The meaning of the phrase 'the era of HIV' in the first few paragraphs needs clarification. I have no idea what is meant by it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.165.8.201 (talk) 04:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Lesion

I just removed a sentence by an anon a while back that described a scene I don't recall happening in the film, doesn't appear in the script, and goes against the ambiguity regarding Telly's actual HIV status by implying he had Kaposi's Sarcoma. I'll re-watch the film this weekend, or if anybody can confirm for sure whether such a scene actually happened (I'm pretty sure it didn't; it was supposed to be left open whether Telly actually had HIV or not) feel free to add it back.

Redirect From "Kids" Search

A search for "Kids" redirects to Wikipedia page for "Child", which is fine, but the page for "Child" has no link to this article. What's the best way approach to link to this article since it might not be obvious to all users to search on "Kids (film)"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireplacetv (talk • contribs) 05:47, 4 February 2021 (UTC)