Talk:Khwarazmian

Definition problems

1. The list didn't clarify (and still hardly does) who the "Khwarezmians" of 1244 Jerusalem & La Forbie actually were: ethnicity, language, geographic origin. Were they just from Chorasan/Khwarezm, or from the much larger empire ruled by the Khwarazmian dynasty? Since there are two distinct languages, one Iranian and one Turkic, one must ask if by the 13th century they still were two distinct populations with distinct ethnic identities? That seems to be the case, and so it's again unclear who the 1244 "Khwarezmian tribes/mercenaries" were who played such an important part in finishing off the Kingdom of Jerusalem? All that is usually said, is that they were fleeing the Mongols, which fits perfectly any of the above options.

2. Problem: the page name is "Khwarezmian" (adjective), while "Khwarazm" (proper noun; geographical region) is the key. Arminden (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the Turkic tribes only arrived in Khwarazm after the Mongol invasion, so it can hardly be them who flee the Mongols. One down. Remains the question: were the 1244 Khwarezmians of Palestine originally "only" from Chorasan/Khwarezm, or from the wider Khwarazmian Empire? Probably the former. It needs to be made very clear, as they show up a lot in Middle East-related articles. Arminden (talk) 19:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the first question to the Khwarazm talk-page, so here. The problem number 2 remains to be discussed here. Arminden (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]