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Background
1986 - 1st Expel
2001 - 2nd Expel
Demolition orders & Master plan
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Feel free to propose additional chapters or name changes. Settleman (talk) 07:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

massive distortion of sources

On June 14 an Israeli court issued 6 demolition orders covering 50 buildings including tent dwellings, ramshackle huts, sheep pens, latrines, water cisterns, a wind-and-sun powered turbine, and the German-funded solar panels in most of the Palestinian village of Susya.

cited to DW and changed to

On June 14 an Israeli court issued 6 demolition orders covering 50 buildings including tent dwellings, ramshackle huts, sheep pens, latrines, water cisterns, a wind-and-sun powered turbine, and the German-funded solar panels in most of the Palestinian-built structures in Susya.

on the grounds that it is not a village. Note the source repeatedly calls it a village.

In May 2015, the Israel High Court approved the demolition of Palestinian Susya. The implementation of the plan will leave 450 villagers homeless.

cited to Maan and changed to

In May 2015, the Israel High Court approved the demolition of Palestinian Susya. It is claimed that implementation of the plan will leave 450 Palestinians homeless

Again removal of villagers because oh no the Israeli settlers they the real villagers, those pesky A-rabs they just squatters who "claim" such and such. Note the source specifically says the line on 450 left homeless as a fact, not a "claim".

In July the US State Department urged Israel to refrain from any demolitions and asked it to seek a peaceful resolution with villagers

cited to Times of Israel. Changed to

In July the US State Department urged Israel to refrain from any demolitions and asked it to seek a peaceful resolution with Palestinian residents

Note the spokesman from the US State Department said We strongly urge the Israeli authorities to refrain from carrying out any demolitions in the village and We are concerned that the demolition of this village may worsen the atmosphere for a peaceful resolution and would set a damaging standard for displacement and land confiscation. and that the Times of Israel reported Kirby urged Israel to work with village residents to find a solution.

I'm going to revert a whole bunch of this crap now. nableezy - 17:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh one more, Amira Hass didnt say the Mughanem's claimed to own the land, she said it was their own land. This is the quote from Haaretz: two tents in which the Mughnem family lived on their land in the village of Susya. nableezy - 17:55, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article presents conflicting claims of legitimacy and legality of action. But it is worded in a POV manner that privileges the claims of one side over the other. "village" for example, is an exceedingly odd word to apply to tents and "ramshackle huts" set up in a location where agricultural workers have intermittently lived in seasonal dwellings during limited periods of the agricultural year. An encyclopedic article would respect the contested nature of this dispute by using NPOV language. But Nableezy here engages in POV-pushing and his familiar attitude of WP:OWN, and of his extremely POV attitude by which he treats articles about Israelis with entirely different standards than he himself applies to articles about Arabs. His approach works, of course, this article and the editors who own it have persuaded me to leave the Susiya alone. Chio!E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You blatantly distorted the cited sources, repeatedly removed any reference to the Palestinians as villagers and instead described the Israeli settlers as "villagers", and you have the gall to accuse me of an extremely POV attitude, and then follow up that mindless drivel by claiming I use different standards on articles about Arabs? Yeah, no, thats all bs, and you cant find any evidence for any of it, which makes it an unsubstantiated personal attack. Given your apparent difficulty in using sources properly to make an encyclopedia article I dont expect youll be able to find any evidence for any of the nonsense you wrote. But, to the point, dont distort the sources so that you can push a minority POV as though it were fact. K thnx bye. nableezy - 21:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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