Talk:Khalid Masood

Merge Khalid Masood to 2017 Westminster attack

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MERGE to 2017 Westminster attack per [1]

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It has been proposed to merge Khalid Masood to 2017 Westminster attack; for the discussion, see talk:2017 Westminster attack -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Moved to talk: 2017 Westminster attack

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

So the outcome was a merge. We will need to carry the result out soon -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 02:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Past addresses

The list of former addresses of Masood has been entered twice (and I have removed). I see no encyclopedic value in publishing such information. No relationship has been established between his past addresses and the commission of his crimes. WWGB (talk) 00:50, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with removal, since there is no connection at this time and there could be consequences for the current occupiers. Akld guy (talk) 04:31, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Describing areas of the UK as terrorist hotbeds (OWTTE) is incredibly misleading and inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.77.173 (talk) 18:11, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Some addresses have been referenced in the news as being known for "being a hotbed" of religious extremism and for having links to religious extremism. It would make sense to include that his prior addresses involved living in areas if religious extremism, because at some point he became radicalized which eventually led to the decision to perpetrate this incident.MeropeRiddle (talk) 20:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Birth name

teelgraph says Adrian Elms. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/violent-extremist-dropped-polices-radar/ All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:20, 24 March 2017 (UTC).

There has been much confusion. Corrected sources appear to have now a logical sequence: "Born as Adrian Russell Elms, in Dartford, Kent, Masood was also known as Adrian Russell Ajao in childhood after taking his stepfather's name", and moving to Tunbridge Wells [2] Davidships (talk) 14:26, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Notability, timing

This attack is notable because it is the largest London attack in 12 years. Per the manual of style, this should instead be reflected as being the largest London attack since 2005 i.e. 7_July_2005_London_bombings

Picture

Metropolitan police released a picture: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/03/24/Untitled-design-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png Is this in the public domain, or does this have a copyright?

Says here "all rights reserved", so no. Government or state productions in the UK are not public domain by default. --BurritoBazooka ^Talk Contribs 20:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank youMeropeRiddle (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:CITEKILL

Any ways someone could cut back on some of the over cite stuff? I'd be happy to do it but it may be better for someone who has been regularly editing this to handle it. Stuff like:

Masood was a British citizen[21] born to a Christian[2] single mother, Janet Elms[22] in Dartford, Kent, on 25 December 1964.[23]

and

He was a Muslim convert,[5][27] married,[23] and a father.[28] He was known to have an interest in bodybuilding.[29][30][31]

are a tad overkill.  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 22:42, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:SINGLEEVENT

It might be more appropriate to delete this and merge the information into the main article of the event. Khalid Masood is only going to be widely known for one event, and does not seem to otherwise to be of enduring notability.GliderMaven (talk) 23:18, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@GliderMaven: Yep, see this merge proposal on this very topic.  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 23:29, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Per your own link: If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. MeropeRiddle (talk) 01:44, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Removal of family members per WP:BLPNAME

I was bold and removed the family members names from the article per WP:BLPNAME as they are not "relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject." Let us discuss.  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 02:09, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The names have been widely disseminated, inclusion of names adds significant value, as it adds context to prior names/alias/personal life. The names of any immediate, ex, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, and Masood is dead not living. It is pretty relevant for a reader to know/understand that a child was born to a teenage christian single mother who later married a man with a nigerian background, It is also important for people to understand that he was the only biracial child in his school and at another point he was one of only two people that weren't white in a neighborhood where he had an argument with racial overtones, and then was ostracized in the community. These are all pieces of a puzzle that should be included. He didn't fit the typical profile of a jihadist/islamist terrorist, and people should be able to look at his biography and learn about his history. MeropeRiddle (talk) 02:49, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The question isn't about Masood, even though WP:BLP does apply to him as he is only recently dead, but to his living relatives. My question, and the reason I removed the names, is what context does the actual names add to the article? The answer is nothing. You can easily explain, exactly as you did above, in prose that he was born to a teenage Christian single mother who later married a man with a Nigerian background, without saying a single name. WP:BLP and all of it's policies apply names of everyone, not just the subject of this article.  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 19:05, 25 March 2017 (UTC)