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Tried to correct some misinformation about the Christian doctrine and generally cleaned it up a bit. (Rethinker 04:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Kenosis as a literary technique

There's no mention of this but it came here from an article on Kairosis that mentioned it as such next to Catharsis...Undead Herle King (talk) 13:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one quotation of obscure origins that mentions "kairosis" and "kenosis" as literary terms, which smacks of original research. --Quadalpha (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've moved this section here:

"Kenosis in literary aesthetics or poetics

Kenosis is the affect (feeling) experienced by the reader of lyric or poetry forms. It is the experience of the emptying of the ego-personality of the reader into the immediate sensory manipulation of poetics. In this sense, kenosis inflicts an experience of timelessness upon the reader.^[1]^[2]^[3]"

This is the same "catharsis/kairosis/kenosis theory" of the recently deleted "kairosis" article. It was non-notable there, and should be so here, too. Thoughts? --Quadalpha (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Russell, Keith. (1995). "Kenosis in Baxter's 'Pig Island Letters'", Journal of New Zealand Literature, 13, 1995, pp. 109 - 120.
^ Karalis, Vrasidas. (2005). "The poetics of Deep Image and the language of kenosis in Athos Dimoulas' Poetry," The Proceedings of 5 Biennaula Conference of Greek research in Australia, Flinders University, Adelaide, 2005, p.135-163.
^ Russell, Keith "Time and Space in Hiruharama (Jerusalem): James K Baxter's Vivid Culture of Images", Inter-cultural Studies (University of Newcastle) ISSN 1445-1190, Vol 2, Issue 2, 2002. pp. 39-49. (Electronic copy)

Kenosis and Shunyata

Shunyata is not a practice.
Is there any connection between kenosis and shunyata, or anatta? m.e. 11:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is not connection between Christianity and Asia. Quite the opposite, Christian lives "outside" of the world (i.e. in Christ), asian "spiritual" techniques are all about destructing humanity at all. In Christianity, "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.", in asian techniques the common goal is identity of being and nothingness (though this goal can be achieved using various methods). In other words: In Christianity Incarnation of God made man non-refutable ("in caro" means "in flesh"), in Asia there is wish to dissolve man in air, trees, rocks, space, ..., to achieve nullpunkt. 94.230.156.130 (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protestant Doctrine

Are we sure tha the Protetant doctrine of kenosis is theosis? Eastern churches have a theosis doctrine, Protestants (traditonally) do not hold to this and hold to mans continual nature of sin. Although Wesley's perfectionism or the Word Faith "little gods" doctrine may be exceptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.150.46 (talk) 23:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with you on this; particularly since theosis is already mentioned in the Eastern Orthodox Mysticism section, it really doesn't belong in the Protestant section. 142.151.182.106 (talk) 15:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

kenosis a greek word?

the main article says kenosis is a Greek word. I do not find it in any of my reference materials. Can it be that this is the Greek stem keno with sis added to it to make it the name of a doctrine as hypothi-sis the-sis etc. If it is a Greek word, where is it ever used? I can only find instances of the adjective kenos,-a, -on and the verb kenoo. Perhaps it is a 3rd declension vowel stem possibly kenosis,-eos. can someone give more information. if it is not a real Greek word, the main article would be incorrect in saying that it is and should be changed. Philee (talk) 17:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

kenosis, κένωσις, appears in Plato Rep. 585, meaning an emptiness (Liddell-Scott).Lambert OP (talk) 01:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am using Liddell-Scott l880 18th edition Harper and Brothers and it does not show kenosis. What edition are you using? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.76.205 (talk) 18:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

try this: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=kenwsis&la=greek#lexicon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.36.172.242 (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Russell, Keith. (1995). "Kenosis in Baxter's 'Pig Island Letters'", Journal of New Zealand Literature, 13, 1995, pp. 109 - 120.

[2] Karalis, Vrasidas. (2005). "The poetics of Deep Image and the language of kenosis in Athos Dimoulas' Poetry," The Proceedings of 5 Biennaula Conference of Greek research in Australia, Flinders University, Adelaide, 2005, p.135-163.

[3] Russell, Keith "Time and Space in Hiruharama (Jerusalem): James K Baxter's Vivid Culture of Images", Inter-cultural Studies (University of Newcastle) ISSN 1445-1190, Vol 2, Issue 2, 2002. pp. 39-49. (Electronic copy)

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