Talk:Kenneth Lee Pike

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Nobel Peace Prize nomination

Pike was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in linguistics.

Being nominated for the Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official or even prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements, and more often it is impossible to verify. I see no reason to keep it. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Will Beback · † · 07:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He was nominated for the Nobel Prize 15 years in a row and the Templeton Prize three years (Headland 2001:506).

The paragraph now ends with a parenthetical reference, which is clearly an incompletely cited reference (no following clarification of this source, possibly even a plagiarized paragraph. The previous talk comment is correct, and even multiple nominations does not make this more notable, for reasons noted above. Morskyjezek (talk) 16:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully want to discuss Pike's Nobel nomination. It is not the nomination that makes Pike significant. But when a person is already significant, adding the information about prize nominations (15 repeated prize nominations) is not an insignificant fact. Simply being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is not adequate to qualify for a Wikipedia article, but if a person is already the subject of an article, it should be perfectly acceptable to mention this fact if documented.

Also, it was not Pike that announced the nomination, but Adam Makkai, the spearheading professor behind the nomination. The fact is duly documented. But there is another reason that this is significant: the fact that Pike was nominated for the Peace Prize as recognition of his work to help speakers of minority languages. It's quite different from an actor being nominated for an Oscar or a musician being nominated for Grammy -- for those it is the field in which they would expect recognition. Pike's nomination outside of his field is noteworthy. Therefore, I have restored this information into the article. I trust this is seen as an appropriate and thoughtful move, not a flaming act of defiance.Pete unseth (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In reverting my change, you stated "Nominator publicized it. Also, village pump is wrong about the minimum threshold for nominating." I'll address both issues.

"Nominator publicized it". There is clear consensus (to date) that only the Nobel Committee's public statements should be taken into account.

"village pump is wrong about the minimum threshold for nominating." The standards for nominations are quite short and very clear. Adam Makkai (who doesn't have a Wikipedia article. I checked) can nominate anyone with no more than 10 minutes of effort. The statement should read "Adam Makkai felt strongly enough that Kenneth Lee Pike should have a Nobel Peace Prize that he sent a letter to the committee each year for 15 years about it." That's the truth without exaggeration. Does that sentence belong in the lede? - Richfife (talk) 18:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first comment in this topic notes that nominations are difficulty to verify. My issue was citation (the information was not properly cited). If, however, the observation was made in American Anthropologist (that's presumably the same Headland citation?), then that's enough for me. I agree in substance with the first coment, but since the sentence appears to be coming from a journal article tribute to Pike, I'm leaving it but adding the inline citation. Morskyjezek (talk) 13:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SIL and University of Oklahoma

In 1935, the SIL courses were not at the Univ. of Oklahoma but at Sulphur Springs, Arkansas. I took OU out of this paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.145.81.2 (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missionary and Language work

The following quote was removed. It's meaning is not immediately apparent and does not strike an "encyclopedic" tone unless the implications of Pike's meaning are clearly apparent. Mules and horses both do work, so if he's saying he was hard working, then that is readily apparent from his accomplishments. Removed: " When asked whether he was a missionary or a linguist, he replied "I am a mule." He explained that a mule is part horse, part donkey, combining traits of each. He pointed out that sometimes he did more of the work of a horse, other times he did more of the work of a donkey, but he was always both.^[1]" Morskyjezek (talk) 13:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why does "motifeme" redirect here?

Not mentioned in article. Equinox ◑ 19:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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