Talk:Kehlsteinhaus

Allied Capture

Some discussion on the "Allied capture" section. I recently removed stuff from other articles. Tried to limit the capture section to just the Kehlsteinhaus topic, not Berchtesgaden, not Berghof (Hitler). Beanbatch 19:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Noticed your changes. I've been in touch with the original author of the paragraph in question and we agreed that the course of events was likely different. Unfortunately, I don't believe your version is entirely accurate either. The reason for that claim is the following World War II magazine article: The Eagle's Nest: The Last Great Prize.

It appears that Dick Winters has read it, as he has sent in a request for correction. It pertained to the command of the 2nd battalion, not to the course of events as recounted in the article per se. I'd consider this to be the most accurate source I've found so far. I've lived in Berchtesgaden for some time, so this topic is of quite some interest to me...

Best

Jbetak 21:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't know who really captured the Kehlsteinhaus first. I just tried to clean up this section, copied verbatim from other articles, to focus just on Kehlsteinhaus. If what is left is not correct, it should be fixed. I think we do know who looted it first. That would be the 101st. Several soldiers from the 506th have personal items they looted from there. If someone else was first, they didn't take much with them. Beanbatch 19:57, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

If you read the book Band of Brothers by Steven Ambrose, the book states that the 101st paratroopers were the first one to the Eagle's nest because the wine was still there, and no stuff was "liberated". However, this article says that 3rd infantry division was the firts one there. Should we clear up the discrepancy? 156.110.47.73 (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Because Americans never lie, right? There are plenty of testimonies, in French and in Spanish that it was Captain Tuyeras, a french jew from the 2nd French Division who was the first allied soldier up there. And your sources lie, as the Spanish soldiers testimony that they indeed grabbed plenty of Lanson and Pommery bottles. But to know that, you should be able to read in more languages than English. --37.14.47.182 (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Rescued content on Allied seizure

Providing link to an account of 3rd Infantry seizure placed by unregistered user 71.227.211.202 (talk) on 06:12, July 8, 2014 (edit) and summarily deleted in the next page edit by unregistered user 50.147.145.83 (talk) on 03:30, September 13, 2014:

[Deleted passage in italics]

Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of U.S forces in Europe and later President of the United States, wrote that the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division was the first to take the town of Berchtesgaden, not the Eagle's Nest.<ref>Dwight D. Eisenhower, ''Crusade in Europe'' 418 (1948) (The exact quote from page 418 reads "On May 4 the 3d division of the same corps captured Berchtesgaden." The corps mentioned was the US XV Corps. The term "Eagle's Nest" is not in the quote nor the paragraph that mentions the capture of Berchtesgaden.''</ref> In his interview with the Library of Congress, Herman Louis Finnell of the 3rd Division, 7th Regiment, Company I, stated that he and his ammo carrier, Pfc. Fungerburg, were the first to enter the Eagle's Nest, as well as the secret passages below the structure. Finnell stated that the hallway below the structure had rooms on either side filled with destroyed paintings, evening gowns, as well as destroyed medical equipment and a wine cellar.

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Kehlsteinhaus&diff=625325574&oldid=616048978 Wikiuser100 (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• Reference at bottom of this page to Library of Congress: Veterans History Project: Interview with Herman Finnell.

References

Zuckspit

i read some time ago that the peak of the mountain ( ? Kehlstine Mountain) was called Zuckspit(spelling correct?) and does any one have info on that ?

thanks willy g man 76.230.158.100 (talk) 17:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The elevator

This is really a rather pointless pointless question, but in the Band of Brothers mini-series, the elevator was said to have been plated with gold. Was it originally plated in gold, or was it polished brass to begin with? jak722 17:54 06, June 2006

It was always brass. They simply thought it was gold-plated. It is very impressive; really, the coolest thing about visiting the site, except for the fireplace and the view of the mountains.169.253.4.21 (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)TexxasFinn

Article style

I can't be sure, but either the originator of this article or one of its editors seems to be a non-native English speaker. A case in point is the word 'Mio' used in '150 Mio Euros'. A quick Google search seems to indicate that this is primarily used in the German language as an abbreviation of 'million', and is therefore not strictly an English word, although it is used in 'European English', rather like Lufthansa stewards who ask people in English to turn off their 'handies', the word for mobile (cellular) phone in German, but not an English word.

Furthermore, the style does grate in places, tending to translationese. Such as the sentence which ends "... Adolf Hitler of the Nazi Party". Oh, Bold textthatBold text Adolf Hitler?! Also, can an elevator really be said to 'span' last 124 metres up to the Kehlsteinhaus? Other examples:

"...he suffered migraines and other balance problems whilst at the higher altitudes of the Kehlsteinhaus." Can a single location have more than one altitude?

Also, both spellings of metre/meter are used in the article. I think either one or the other should be used.

Tours

Though I can find no source, experience of visiting the Kehlsteinhaus myself this summer showed that guided tours are still being offered for tourists. - Estel ^(talk) 22:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Tours are officially offered - or at least they were when I visited in both 1991 and 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.193.43 (talk) 12:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Suggest the removal of the assertion that tours are not offered in German due to concerns regarding Nazi sympathizers; it is unsourced and the official website clearly states that tours in German are available. 71.62.24.97 (talk) 08:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

My understanding is that they do offer German language tours. However, to discourage Nazi sympathizers all tours must be booked through the website. It is not allowed to have a tour with an external guide, but that applies to all languages equally, not just to German. So if there are no objections I will delete this statement.Drow69 (talk) 14:52, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Common name in English is Eagle's Nest

The common name for this place in English is "Eagle's Nest" as there is more than one as the disambiguation "Eagle's Nest" page show this will need a disambiguation name like Eagle's Nest (Berchtesgaden) or Eagle's Nest, Berchtesgaden or Eagle's Nest, Bavaria or Eagle's Nest (Hitler) or whatever is deemed the most suitable disambiguation extension for the place should be (see WP:AT). -- PBS (talk) 10:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The common name in English is bullshit, as there never was an "Eagle's Nest" near Berchtesgaden. The FHQ "Adlerhorst" was a bunker near Obermör.len in Hessen. Apparently, all Anglo-Saxons are as igorant as their moronic Nazi president Adolf Trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E2:33E3:4907:21FA:6654:8FCA:F323 (talk) 16:04, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Needs an Etymology section, like most similar articles, or at least a translation of the German name. Re "Eagle's Nest", it's a rather obvious name but not a translation of the German; would be good to add who coined it, if known. I'm going to piggyback another comment, as my mobile won't recognize the Add Section button. The site is central to the plot of a GA mystery, by Carr iirc. I'll dig it out. Add an 'In popular culture' section; I'm sure there are other significant references -- hopefully not too many! --D Anthony Patriarche, BSc (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I see that "Eagle's Nest" is attributed to Francois-Poncet in the Use section, a slightly odd place to look for it. Perhaps could be summarized in the lead or the proposed Etymology section. --D Anthony Patriarche, BSc (talk) 15:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

François-Poncet was not an English speaker, just another proof of how hare-brained the name is. Doubtless a post-war invention by boastful Amis jealous of the Red Army getting Hitler's remains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E2:3725:689E:29D9:AE13:9680:C981 (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Nonsense?

The "Use" section says: "Kehlsteinhaus lies several miles directly above the Berghof". Really? 78.147.23.2 (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

"Hitler only visited 14 times" -- reference?

Sorry for the drive-by comment, but in the lede it says that Hitler only visited the place 14 times.

This interesting fact doesn't appear to be referenced anywhere, nor mentioned later in the article.

-- EdJogg (talk) 11:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC) (Not watching page. Sorry.)

14 is the highest quantity given in ANY source, other sources say only five or ten times.

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