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Citation needed?

Did you bother to use Google? I think not!! [1] [2] [3] [4] Genjix

I don't think there is a citation needed for the first sentence but for this statement:

"This was verified by the developers examining the game and seeing the presence of several Crystal Space components. All attempts to contact the Keepsake developers by the Crystal Space developers for dialogue were ignored though"

I didn't found a reliable source for it. This sounds like the developers deny the use of the Crystal Space engine but in the interview [5] they confirm the use of it.

Contact the CS devs if you don't believe this!

--134.109.72.225 13:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You want this in the article, YOU find reliable sources for it and bring them here. Wikipedia is no original research 134.109.72.218 11:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not original research. I am in contact with the CS devs, and you can find on the Keepsake forum posts by Jorrit (head of CS) with no replies, they sent lots of emails to them. You're an idiot. Genjix 16:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can not tolerate your insult. I have requested a warning for your behavior. A forum post and E-Mails are not a reliable source for Wikipedia. Furthermore what is your point? The game developers do not need a permission from the engine developers and they do not need to response as long as they do not change the source code. CS is LGPL. --134.109.240.58 17:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If indeed there is a controversy over the usage of CS in this game, you can put it in the article as such, citing a reasonably reliable source. In this case, I think a post by a lead developer on a forum or a statement on the developer's website is reliable enough for this page, seeing as it's a primary source (as long as it was clear that it was in fact the developers making the post). However, simply saying, "I know these people" doesn't fly here on Wikipedia: you must cite sources. In addition, please refrain from calling users names in the future; we're not here for that and it only hurts your reputation. Illuminatedwax 19:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But it is not clear that it was in fact the developers making the post in this forum and no response in a forum does not necessarily mean anything. There should be at least an official statement on the site of CS. --134.109.72.212 19:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Go to hell. [6] [7] Genjix 17:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What does this prove? An unanswered forum post is absolute nothing uncommon and a posting with a request for technical feedback? Nobody has an duty to do so. Your repeated offenses do not help to solve this question and are quite uncivilized. --134.109.72.218 19:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're an absolute fool! I already said once, that all efforts where made to contact them (phone, forums, emails) for feedback but they totally ignored the CS developers. Why are you trying to hide this fact? The proof is there in asking the developers themselves. Genjix 14:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then the developers of Crystal Space should make an official and direct statement on their site so that everyone can verify it. If you find such an statement you can put the information in the article. --134.109.217.37 08:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is true; if there is a controversy, there needs to be some kind of verifiable proof besides a year old forum post. The link to the forum post is inconclusive: it might not actually be one of the developers posting, and the game designers could have contacted the developers at a later date. The internal mailing list discussion is even less indicative: the conversation ends without them figuring out if they had gotten any feedback. In any case, the lack of specific feedback doesn't seem to be such a big deal anyway, and therefore probably doesn't belong on this page. Illuminatedwax 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just went on the irc for #crystalspace and asked the developers. It is true. 85.58.67.65 14:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement alone isn't a reliable source. It's rather a not proved original research. --134.109.124.202 19:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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