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Requested move 24 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The quest for what AjaxSmack calls the 'more accurate transcription' may never terminate, due to the indeterminacy of transliteration. We still have WP:COMMONNAME though. If at some point 'Kazak' takes a clear lead over 'Kazakh' in the best English-language sources then we may have to revisit. It seems we aren't there yet, and there is not enough evidence to give up the 'kh'. Two editors provided ngram searches. A naive search of Google books for 'kazakh' vs kazak' still gives 2:1 for the 'kh'. The root of the issue seems to be the different varieties of 'K' in the Kazakh language. The talk thread on the Russian Wikipedia is instructive. The spirit of COMMONNAME suggests we should be deciding this at the word level and not the level of phonetics. By accepting whichever word the authors of English-language works have chosen to use, we are accepting their decision on the phonetics. This appears to be what User:Ezhiki is saying in his comment. EdJohnston (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]



Kazakh Autonomous Socialist Soviet RepublicKazak Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic – Per WP:RUS, which seems applicable since the entities non-English source names are only given in Russian and the entity was part of the RSFSR. 91.9.124.53 (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 00:32, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. I encourage editors to peruse the ngram results and not just look at the numbers. Numerous false and semi-false positives (e.g., "Under Soviet rule the Kyrgyz (Qirghiz, i.e., Kazakh) ASSR was created") abound. After a brief look, I find that quality sources use both the k and the kh versions. In this case, go with the one that is a more accurate transcription. —  AjaxSmack  01:28, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The current article title isn't a transliteration or transcription; it's a translation and "Kazakh" is more common than "Kazak" in English-language sources. DrKiernan (talk) 18:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per DrKiernan, whom I thank for articulating that. While I still want to reiterate the need for consistency within this article and with its corresponding categories, I don't see a compelling reason to prefer to the "Kazak" spelling, which is less common in English. Assuming the Cyrillic names in the ledes of this article and Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic are correct, we're looking for an English rendition of "Қазақ" in both cases. --BDD (talk) 20:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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ВотанБатан (talk) 06:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vif12vf:, are you going to explain. source - http://www.vexillographia.ru/kazakhst/index.htm ВотанБатан (talk) 13:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vif12vf:, are you going to explain. source - http://www.vexillographia.ru/kazakhst/index.htm ВотанБатан (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vif12vf:, KAZAKHSTAN ВотанБатан (talk) 16:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How can i explain when you are not asking a question? Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vif12vf:,

, KAZAKHSTAN see the flag ВотанБатан (talk) 00:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Does not contain a reliable source. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:17, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]