Talk:Katherine Ruth Heyman

Composers Start‑class

	This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Composers, a group of editors writing and developing biographical articles about composers of all eras and styles. The project discussion page is the place to talk about technical and editorial issues and exchange ideas. New members are welcome!ComposersWikipedia:WikiProject ComposersTemplate:WikiProject ComposersComposers
Start	This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.

California Low‑importance

	California portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Low-importance).

Women in Music Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

A fact from Katherine Ruth Heyman appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that composers Charles Ives, Charles Tomlinson Griffes, and Elliott Carter attended Scriabin conferences held at Katherine Ruth Heyman's loft?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Katherine Ruth Heyman.

Wikipedia

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

Katherine Ruth Heyman in 1915

... that Ezra Pound dedicated a poem to pianist Katherine Ruth Heyman (pictured)? Source: "Ezra Pound met Katherine Heyman, a concert pianist of considerable statue, around 1904 or 1905. His Poem "Scriptor Ignotus" (1906), referring to a "great forty-year epic," is dedicated to her."

Adams, Stephen J. (2005). "Heyman, Katherine Ruth (1874–1944)". In Tryphonopoulos, Demetres P.; Adams, Stephen J. (eds.). The Ezra Pound Encyclopedia. Greenwood Press. p. 146. ISBN 9780313304484.

Created by RoseCherry64 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting life and work, on good sources, offline and subscription sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and shows the period well. I am not happy with the hook because we learn more detail about Pound than her. If that was at least poem with an article. Can we perhaps just say that he dedicated a poem to her, and about her something like her Scriabin work, early recordings, famous composers attending her lectures, or what? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review. Her relationship with Pound is pretty complex and is covered in great detail by some sources due to Pound being a world famous literary figure. I do agree that it might read like a hook for the poem itself and not Heyman. Here's an alternative hook about the conferences:

ALT1: ... that composers Charles Ives, Charles Tomlinson Griffes, and Elliott Carter attended Scriabin conferences held at Katherine Ruth Heyman's loft?

Source "At “Conferences” held in her Upper East Side loft, Heyman performed Scriabin’s works and preached his gospel to such attendees as Charles Ives, Charles Griffes, and Elliott Carter" Ballard, Lincoln M. (2012). "A Russian Mystic in the Age of Aquarius: The U.S. Revival of Alexander Scriabin in the 1960s". American Music. 30 (2): 194–227. doi:10.5406/americanmusic.30.2.0194. S2CID 191613100.

RoseCherry64 (talk)

My take - because we have to say pictured somehow:

ALT1a: ... that composers Charles Ives and Elliott Carter attended Scriabin conferences held by pianist Katherine Ruth Heyman (pictured) at her loft?

thank you, I prefer that by far, - if this poem had at at least had a catchy title in English ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added "pictured" the first one as well. I'm fine with removing Griffes because while I personally am interested in his work, his influence on American music is significantly less than the other two. RoseCherry64 (talk) 18:34, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and I'm sure you will find a way to expose Griffes better than in a list of others, - write about one of his compositions perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P2

Wiki Education assignment: 19th Century Concert Life

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2022 and 4 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Devinweckstein (article contribs).