Talk:Kitty Oppenheimer

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Did you know... that Katherine Oppenheimer, the wife of physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer, was a cousin of German Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel?

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On 8 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Katherine Oppenheimer to Kitty Oppenheimer. The result of the discussion was moved.

Vissering vs. Oppenheimer

Per WP:SURNAME I've changed most of the "Kitty" references to "Vissering" as that appears to be her birth name. Her father's name was Pruening but apparently she went by Vissering. Since "Kitty" is a nickname, the tone is excessively familiar as well as running afoul of MOS. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These contentions such as Pruening not being her surname are not supported by the sources cited in the article. Please your provide references here to support them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article already used Vissering as her surname, note beginning of "Early Life" section (which I did not write) and I found another reference to it elsewhere as Vissering and not Pruening. I don't care which one to use, but it should not be Kitty except selectively. I'd have appreciated your changing it to Pruening if that was your belief, rather than hitting the revert button. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is not correct; Vissering was her middle name. What are your sources? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't I just say that I was happy with changing "Kitty" to Puening? Why did you change everything back to "Kitty" despite WP:SURNAME? Why are you picking a fight over this? There is no dispute here unless you have a problem with my use of WP:SURNAME to change excessive use of the given names. If you do, say so and we'll go to DR. Unless changed, the tone of the article is adversely affected due to excessive use of given names----"Kitty" and "Robert." I retained some toward the end but previously "Kitty" was used throughout, and then "Robert" was used inappropriately imo.Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 13:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coming in here to raise concerns of the excessive familiar usage of 'Kitty' and it seems it has been discussed and acted on (but action undone, inappropriately imh, might I add).

Also would like to understand why the title refers to her surname as Oppenheimer when the very intro para states that she was his common law wife? 180.150.39.78 (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It says that she was "the common-law wife of activist Joe Dallet, and then the wife of physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer". Kitty and Robert Oppenheimer were legally married. It is always difficult with people who change their names, especially when they do so multiple times. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Cold War Science

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2024 and 3 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): 500wordslater, CBear1234 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by CBear1234 (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @500wordslater, I removed your "Children" section since the info about her kids was already in the "Manhattan Project" section. I also removed the "Personality" section which was unsourced. Let me know if you have any questions! I am happy to help. Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Family relation to Keitel

The article is referring to Keitel as her uncle, whereas at the beginning of the biography he is referred as a cousin of her mother's. Is the name of uncle used for cousins of a parent? Gamma1138 (talk) 16:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The offending paragraph is unsourced, and has been removed Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Uncontested RM (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 18:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine Oppenheimer → Kitty Oppenheimer – Per WP:COMMONNAME. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have seven biographies of Robert Oppenheimer here, and one of Katherine Oppenheimer; all eight list her as Katherine (Kitty) Oppenheimer. What are your sources? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google Ngram from 1949 onwards. PhotographyEdits (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support That is convincing evidence. (Curious spike around 2007.) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I thought it could be related to Nuclear Secrets but it really is a *high* spike. PhotographyEdits (talk) 21:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by 'listing'? The first introduction of the name, or the usage throughout the book? The latter is what counts for the policy. PhotographyEdits (talk) 20:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am talking about the listing in the index. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the case I am wrong and 'Katherine' is the common name, then the widespread use of 'Kitty' throughout the article should be changed to Katherine. PhotographyEdits (talk) 20:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as COMMONNAME. Agree with PhotographyEdits that a failed move should result in "Kitty"→"Katherine" in the article. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.