Talk:Kate Osborne

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Steerpike (June 29, 2021). "The curious case of Kate Osborne's Wikipedia". The Spectator. Retrieved June 29, 2021. Mr S was intrigued to find on browsing the left-wing firebrand's Wikipedia page that a number of edits have been made on the site's history to remove the personal information of Osborne's full name, place of birth and date of birth.

Been noticed

The Spectator article -Indy beetle (talk) 05:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's mentioned in the headers above. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the name/age edits in question, and afaict they were fine since no support in ref. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

However, Katharine Helen Brooks-Osborne is supported by [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just a word of caution. One editor has already been indefinitely topic-banned from BLPs for various things, including persistent attempts to add an improperly referenced date of birth to this article. FDW777 (talk) 10:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Details at [2]. Adding birth dates without impeccable sourcing is rarely a good idea. On the name question it is blindingly obvious what the facts of the matter are here, but that doesn't necessarily mean we can actually say it. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Spectator article explicitly states that her middle name is Helen. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So does ^[1] in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Swales, Martin (12 December 2019). "DECLARATION OF RESULT Election of the Member of Parliament for the Jarrow Constituency". South Tynside Council. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

I note that for mainspace purposes WP:SPECTATOR is a little so-so, and with the added bonus that Steerpike is The Spectator's gossip columnist, I don't think it's BLP-good here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly no good for the claim added yesterday for the claim Osborne had been editing this page, since even if the Spectator was acceptable all they did was speculate she might have done. I have no preference either way on the name. She uses the name Kate Osborne, does the inclusion of a middle name really add value to the article? FDW777 (talk) 12:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:FULLNAME "While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name, if known, should usually be given in the lead sentence (including middle names, if known, or middle initials). Many cultures have a tradition of not using the full name of a person in everyday reference, but the article should start with the complete version in most cases." So yes, we should include it. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 16:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, I see no reason to distrust Mr Swales on that point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Swales, Martin (12 December 2019). "DECLARATION OF RESULT Election of the Member of Parliament for the Jarrow Constituency". South Tynside Council. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

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