Talk:Karađorđeva šnicla

GA Review

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Nominator: Vacant0 (talk · contribs) 23:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 08:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll review this over the next day ~ Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 08:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Prose and content

• on the side either the tartar and lemon should also be specified as being served on the side, or nothing should.
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• it has since become as you use since in the next sentence, and it's not necessary here
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• decorated it garnishing (avoid double it in sentence, clumsy)
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• he named he had renamed
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• dismissed it as a monarchistic creation could you clarify what "it" is here?
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• for the consumption of for using
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• Can you explain what kaymak is somewhere?
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• Steak can be made from the steak
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• representing the Order of Karađorđe Star haha I'm sure that symbolism was what he was going for when he had run out of butter and chicken
• refuted I would say disputed. Maybe this is OR, but I wouldn't say the people who were claiming it was a copy meant it literally in the sense that it had the same exact ingredients as a filling. Feel free to disagree.
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• Cheese, prosciutto, and kaymak are then added to the mixture thereafter as a filling or blended in?
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Suggestions

• Lastly, he poured He finished by pouring
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• where his family prepares MOS:DATED
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Sources

• [3] Y
• [5] This source is saying it was first made in 1959. It also says to fry "until golden brown on all sides." I wouldn't really say it's a RS for the "classic" recipe, given it makes no indication, and I am unconvinced of its scholarship re; food history. The nova.rs source should be sufficient I imagine.
  • Stojanović himself has said that it was first made in 1956 or 1957, I do not remember seeing him anywhere say that it was made in 1959, so I don't know where Blic got that from.
• [6] This source is saying it is fried for 8-10 minutes.
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• [6a] Y
• [6c] clock He has advocated for the consumption of non-veal meats in Karađorđeva šnicla, citing religious or cultural restrictions. I don't see this in the source, can you quote the relevant text?
  • "Međutim, i druge vrste mesa dolaze u obzir i poželjno je prilagoditi recept ukoliko neko „zbog običaja, tradicije ili veroispovesti" ne može da konzumira originalni sastojak."
  • "„Ako, na primer, Indijac ne jede teletinu, damo mu ćuretinu ili musliman ne jede svinjetinu, napravimo od teletine - meso može da se menja, ali kajmak mora uvek da bude prisutan", naglašava Mića Stojanović."
• [6e] Y I understand that there are a lot of side dishes that can be listed, but I have heard about boiled green beans on two different sources, I understand this would be worth mentioning. ~
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• [6g] Y
• [9] Y
• [12] Y
• [14] I am unsure what this source is adding.
  •  Done Removed.
• [15a] Y
• [15c] Y
• [15e] Y
• [18] clock Unconvinced of whether this is notable as an actual established item worth noting. From the reaction it elicited, it isn't clear whether it is established in any way as a religious fast variant.
  •  Done Removed.
• [21] clock should be noted that it was speculated to just be a bad translation.
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Other

• Neutral Y
• No COPYVIO / OR Y 15.3% Earwig
• Stable Y
• Broad / summary style Y
• Images appropriately tagged Y

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 14:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I've addressed your comments. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks for these changes. Passing now. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 13:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by JuniperChill talk 14:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Karađorđeva šnicla with fries, tartar sauce, and a slice of lemon

• ... that the Karađorđeva šnicla was accidentally created as an improvisation of chicken Kiev? Source: Kalaba, Ana (9 March 2020). ""Kako sam skuvao istoriju": Životna priča Titovog kuvara" ["How I Cooked History": The Life Story of Tito's Chef]. NOVA portal (in Serbian). Archived from the original on 10 December 2023. Retrieved 13 September 2024., Mitrović, Nemanja (19 February 2023). "Jugoslavija i hrana: Kako je Titov kuvar stvorio Karađorđevu šniclu" [Yugoslavia and food: How Tito's chef created Karađorđe's schnitzel]. BBC News (in Serbian). Archived from the original on 17 March 2023. Retrieved 13 September 2024.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/45 East 66th Street

Improved to Good Article status by Vacant0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC).

• Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 00:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

source check please

After randomly stumbling upon this, I had to fix a case of improper citing of sources in [1], and I noticed it had just recently passed GA review. @Rollinginhisgrave can we please do another round of checking of these Serbian sources and their citations for any similar bits of original research? --Joy (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Rollinginhisgrave can double-check again, but I doubt that there's any OR left. That seems to have only slipped under my radar while translating. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Joy, I'm pretty satisfied this isn't a systematic issue based off my source review. Thanks for catching this instance. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 00:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be generally hard to get good sources on this topic because it's in such a casual field of endeavor. Even the way it is now is shoddy by WP:RS standards - we're carrying a single-sentence claim of one guy talking to the press and providing a tourist board general promotional website for counterbalance. Similarly, I noticed that [2] starts with 'One Reddit user posted a picture...' and overall it's half a dozen paragraphs of largely quoting a smattering of unreliable sources. We should strive for a higher standard, maybe focus more on published cookbook material or history books rather than whatever was in the news. --Joy (talk) 06:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Joy for these notes. The article citing to Reddit needs to go. Would you recommend the wholesale removal of the material cited to shoddy sources? Writing articles in food, there is a struggle with really bad sourcing available. Looking back at my review, I had concerns with citing the "A Kurir recipe" section, given A) it's a tabloid, and B) it's likely undue, as there are plenty of recipes online and in newspapers that will have variations, but it's not worth mentioning as a variation. I should have made a note of this and it should be removed. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 05:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I suppose the big problem is finding replacement sources. We can probably temper our reliance on less-than-great sources with more careful phrasing, to avoid making strong statements if we don't have a proper source. --Joy (talk) 09:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Excellent work Vacant0. Thx. for the review, Rollinginhisgrave. — Sadko (words are wind) 21:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)