Talk:Kappa Alpha Theta/Archive 1

Archive 1

Complaint at the time of page creation

I think its ridiculous that I had to reupload the founder's pictures when an experienced editor could have easily tagged the previous pictures with Public Domain - Old instead of just tagging them for deletion --† Ðy§ep§ion † 07:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

This was fixed long ago, in case anyone still wonders. Jax MN (talk)

Notable Thetas

Any woman notable enough to have a wiki entry and is a verifiable alumna of the group should be able to be linked to the page. Please refrain from deleting just because the group has many notable alumna members. Many other NPC groups have a large amount of exceptional women who have been members and they do not have their lists deleted. All women who have a Greek affiliation should be recognized and their affiliation easily accessed on Wikipedia. 68.88.228.118 23:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is true. But Wikipedia is not a place for lists and it is not a rush brochure. We do not need to have every woman that has achieved something linked to this page, that is what the 'check here for other notable Kappas' is for. As for the other NPC pages with long alumnae lists, I haven't gotten to those yet, but I am slowly working on the NPC articles. All women who have a Greek affiliation should be recognized and their affiliation easily accessed on Wikipedia. Yes, but so many people are being included into a sorority that they are not apart of that it's ridiculous. Which is why I have started implementing chapter affiliation and linking to the website. Why? Because if they are notable enough to belong on the insert sorority name here website then they are probably notable. (ex. Bill Gate's wife) I rarely trust independent sorority sites (i.e. delta zeta chapter website) when the credible information is on the delta zeta site itself. When a sister has chapter affiliation it can be easily checked. Now I have stated my reasoning, and I suppose I will leave the Wikipedia women in, but please keep this in mind when adding additional women. --ImmortalGoddezz 00:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I see where you are coming from about non-Greeks being claimed by certain groups and you have done a great job policing that practice, but all the notables I have added to the page have included their chapter affiliation and have had a wiki entry. To arbitrarily delete some because a group has "too many" does not follow logic. If it does, you may as well delete the "Notables" section from every Greek group whether NPC, IFC, NPHC, multicultural, service... Any notable person who can be confirmed as a member of any kind of Greek organization is an endorsement for the entire Greek system, and shows the diversity of people who have found value in the Greek system; and their inclusion is not just an advertisement for that particular group. The more people know that successful people whom they admire are Greek, the more open they are to joining an organization or having a child join an organization, or just changing their perception of the "partying Greek" to something more positive.

Also, I included Melinda French Gates because she is confirmed by non-local chapter sites as being an alumna of Theta - Biography Illustrated and Duke Profile. Some sorority women may not be up on the national site, but that does not mean that they cannot be confirmed as members (such as Sarah Kozer who was confirmed as a member of Alpha Phi at George Mason at the time of the airing of Joe Millionaire, but for some people is not worthy or desirable to be listed. 68.88.228.118 01:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Circling back to an old discussion, Fraternity and Sorority articles have improved greatly since 2006 and the early days of Wikipedia. In the To Do list above I have noted several updates that would be appropriate for this article, with template suggestions. Many societies have a list of notable members as a section of the Wikipedia article about them, under a subheader or linked as a separate standalone page (with a WP:HATNOTE). Actually, this Theta article seems a bit bare without it, compared to the fuller treatment that other societies provide.

Note too, that the To Do list suggests you place a set of rules for inclusion here on the Talk page, noting what constitutes "notability" for the purposes of this article. It will help avoid good-faith vanity listings.

Need citation for Theta "5th largest"

Hello everyone - Just an FYI - I wanted to let you know that there will not be a reliable source to use for this needed citation. I am just back from the NPC Biennial meeting in Chicago. Each delegate received a copy of the statistics for each NPC member group including number of chapters and total membership. However, these are clearly marked Confidential and are not to be published. Additionally, NPC has no official standard for ranking. As you will see some member groups have fewer total members but more total chapters. NPC did just move to a dues structure supported by total number of collegiate members - so you may see that measure used to determine size - but there is nothing official. Total numbers are reported each June and will fluctuate yearly. As such most of the larger groups will now say "one of the largest" because there is no ranking system. Of course it is easily to see that Chi Omega is the largest in both total members and chapter count. The only other pages that seems to list a rink is ZTA. Just wanted to be helpful! Good luck! Daurorj —Preceding comment was added at 17:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Cindy Hensley McCain

... has been a member according to her article, but is not listed here?! --KnightMove (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

This article seems to have a reoccurring POV issue, possibly WP:COI issues as well. Please maintain a neutral point of view and remember that this article is WP:NOT a soapbox/advertising space for Kappa Alpha Theta. --ImGz (t/c) 20:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

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Fraternity for women?

Maybe I'm dense, but wouldn't that be a "sorority"?--Demonkoryu (talk) 22:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

One plausible explanation is that they call themselves a fraternity for women because "sorority" wasn't a widely used term when the organization formed. According to Fraternities and sororities in North America, the term sorority was coined for Gamma Phi Beta, which formed in 1874, four years after Kappa Alpha Theta. That section of the article isn't sourced, and it's exactly the kind of thing that tends to get passed around as folklore, but it makes sense. Grayfell (talk) 23:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

They are not alone in referring to themselves as a "women's fraternity". Chi Omega is also one. - User:Willthacheerleader18

They may call themselves a "fraternity for women" and in any text that specifically refers to their own titles, we should use that terminology, but since English commonly uses the word sorority for this concept, I have updated the text where appropriate. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Seems like that didn't last. But seriously, it's a sorority. That it refers to itself as a "fraternity for women" is an interesting curiosity that should be noted in the article, not an actual usage we need to follow. john k (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)