Talk:Kapoli Kamakau/GA1

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Reviewer: Edwininlondon (talk · contribs) 22:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy to review this, with the caveat that I am not an expert in music or in Hawaiian culture.

My first impression of the lead is that it way shorter than any other GA article I have seen. Is this intentional?

Yes, I can expand it though if needed.KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that is better.

The body of the article is rather short as well. Is this all that the sources provide or is there more?

Yes, this is a minor figure in history and this is intended to be a short article covering all known about her.KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, sounds good.

I look forward to your answers and then I shall start the review. Edwininlondon (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm intrigued about the name Lizzie. Is that just a nickname? Or is it her first name? The article seems a bit inconsistent when it comes to her name, but please forgive my ignorance in Hawaiian names. The early life section starts with Lizzie Kapoli, but the lead image caption uses Kapoli Kamakau. Should the article name perhaps be Lizzie Kapoli Kamakau?

The history seems to refer to his as Kapoli Kamakau and Kapoli as shorthand. I am not sure if Kamakau is her surname since . Lizzie is her English name that only is found in letters from the queen.

I made some edits, as per MOS:QUOTENAME, to deal with this. I don't have the queen's book though, to get the pagenr, perhaps you can add it?

An infobox would be good. Just a simple Infobox person template I reckon
The lead says she was a lady-in-waiting, but this is not said in the body. It's implied, but it should be explicitely said I think

Added.

She was a member of the singing club organized by Liliʻuokalani and her sister Likelike and --> I'd put a comma after Likelike

Added.

Lead image caption: do we need "photograph by Menzies Dickson"? Would it not be better to add the year when it was taken? Image needs alt text, see MOS:ALT.

Added.

ʻUmi would later ...--> He would later ... I'm guessing nothing else is known about her father, or mother, am I right?

Yes.

She lived in the household --> Kapoli lived in the household

Added.

with the future Queen Liliʻuokalani (r. 1891–1893) and Princess Likelike --> with the future Queen Liliʻuokalani (r. 1891–1893) and her sister Princess Likelike.

Changed.

with Liliʻuokalani and Likelike --> this seems redundant

Removed.

(dirges) --> maybe (dirges, chants of mourning)

Added.

the then princess --> is it not: the then-princess? I'm never sure about hyphens

Added.

Eveline Townsend Wilson and Sophie Sheldon --> why is the first redlink and the second not? Do you think the first one is notable?

First one is notable but don't have the time to create her article at the moment. She was another lady-in-waiting who was imprisoned with the queen in 1895.

In her will, ... for her lifetime. --> Not a particularly elegant sentence, with commas and two sets of parentheses.

Changed.

Better but still needs a bit more. I propose this, but not sure if this is what the source says: In her will, Princess Keʻelikōlani, the largest landholder in Hawaii at the time, bequeathed two pieces of property to Kapoli, who was at her bedside prior to her death. The first was one of the princess's house lot on Queen Street, Honolulu, and the second a piece of land called Kaʻala, near Joseph O. Carter's residence.

Liliʻuokalani recorded the event leading to her exile for leprosy. --> Liliʻuokalani recorded the event leading to Kapoli's exile for leprosy.

Changed.

her father ʻUmi --> just cheking if this is right to use 'Umi and not Kukaʻilani

ʻUmi is fine.

twenty-eight --> MOS:NUM suggests consistency. Earlier 40 was used.

Changed.

away from the general population of patients --> this implies that women were not considered part of the general population. I can see the source is slightly different in that is speaks of young women and girls.

Clarify it was young women.

It is "general population of patients" that seems odd to me. How about simply "the other patients"?

In 1889, the Catholic .. patients at Bishop Home --> I would rephrase this a bit to avoid the : in the middle sentence. Something like this: In 1889, Mother Marianne Cope, Sisters Vincentia McCormick and Leopoldina Burns, three Catholic sisters of the Third Order of Saint Francis, were charged with the care of the patients at Bishop Home.

Changed.

Do you think Sister Vincentia McCormick is notable?

Yeah I do.

for her third time but first as reigning monarch --> Style-wise not great, perhaps a rephrase?

Any suggestions.

Is there anything that can be said about her place in Hawaiian music? And link to the Hawaiian music page? There is a book by Mark Nelson that speaks of the Three Graces, one of which may be Kapoli, see [1]

Not that I am directly aware of.

I do think the article would benefit from at least one sentence about Hawaiian music or the royal sisters' place in it. Best place is preceding the sentence "A member of the Kaohuokalani Singing Club.." I think.

Page 200 of A collective Memory calls Bernice Pauahi Bishop a Princess. This article does not. Should it?

No there is a lot of controversy on that. Officially, she was never referred to as a princess in her life time. Clarify she was a member of Hawaiian royalty.

Page 201 mentions that Kapoli was satisfied at the settlement. Something to add perhaps?

Added and changed some stuff based on this new information.

There is a book by John R.K. Clark that mentions the queen visiting Kapoli: see [2] Something to use?

Added and changed some stuff based on this new information.

I shall look at the sources later. Thank you for bringing this entirely new world to me on a rainy day. Edwininlondon (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As well as the last few things mentioned above, I have a 3 new comments:

a high chiefess and member of Hawaiian royalty --> I think it is nobility and not royalty. Can you check?

Pauahi was a royal in the since she was considered an ali'i nui and attended a school especially for royal children. She was just never given a Western title because she was never an immediate member of the ruling families of the later reigning monarchs which adopted more Western titles like Prince and Princess.

before on April 27 --> does before need to be deleted?

Deleted.

Something has gone wrong with this, looks like you forgot to delete it? "In June, Bishop wrote to Meyer saying that he was glad to hear that Kapoli was satisfied at the settlement.14 A “comfortable home” had been built for her just outside the yard of what would become the Bishop or Pauahi Home. On June 23, Bishop notified Ambrose Hutchison that the carpenters were going to Kalaupapa that evening to begin construction of the home.1

Deleted.

Nearly there. Edwininlondon (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did a check of the sources and all looks fine for the ones I could access. The article now passes all the criteria for GA. Well done, nice work. And it was a pleasure to work together. Edwininlondon (talk) 10:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]